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Chris leggett
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How come I rarely get "bear reports" anymore? I run from Victorville,Ca to Vegas everyday.I will ask for a report and no one answers 90% of the time.Is there a reason like the Chp writing tickets for talking about them or does a cat got ya'lls tongue?
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Triplecguy
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can't say for sure, since I am not a driver, but everytime I take a road trip through KS and OK I always have it on 19 and only once have I ever heard a driver warning another about a bear ahead. If I see one and then I see a truck, I always give em' a hollar to let em know what's ahead. As I remember I've only been told thanks once or twice. It's almost like there is a certain attitude out there these days since people just don't help each other out anymore. I have been told by a few drivers that the big rigs hate us little 4 wheelers and don't think we should be on the radio. Of course, that's not all them, but if I ever see anything that can cause any type of problem, especially for the big rigs, I feel it's my duty to try and help prevent any type of altercation from transpiring. In fact I drive I-25 in Colorado 5 times a week, and sometimes if it's in the middle of the night, I give a yell to see if anybody wants to chat to help me stay awake, I've never had one single driver take me up on it. It's sad really, if all cb'ers big and small would help each other out, we could have a network all across this country that could pass any information necessary. If I ever cross path's with you Mr. Legget, you can bet I'll give you any info I have have and say thanx for any help you pass my way. Let's hope that some day soon, we can get back to the way it used to be, everybody helping everybody.
Good-will to all cb'ers
Big Dan
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Warlock
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 5:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think there's a few reasons.
I've found many truckers don't even have their radio on. Could be because they have a cell phone glued to their ear, could be because there's so much noise on 19 they just don't bother listening. Some of the new trucks give such poor ground to the antenna system they can't tx or rx over a half mile, takes the fun out of radio. Could be that most truckers stay within 8mph of the speed limit and don't worry about radar traps. Could be the new breed of truckers are no different than the average driver on the road, self centered, rude, no signals for lane changes much less exit ramps, and could care less to be considerate to other drivers. Some don't even like big trucks, but hey, what else can you do for $30-40k a year that only took two weeks shooling? Isn't that scary.
There's a few things to think about...just an opinion.
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Dinker1
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 8:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I live on interstate 55 half way between St. Louis, Mo. and Springfield , Ill .. It is highly used in this area...DEAN-
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Taz
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 9:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

18 CENTS A MILE AND NOT A PENNY MORE!
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Phineas
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you tried Channel 17 in that area?

Phineas
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RCI2990
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 4:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear it all the time here but you also hear a lot of arguing and fighting going on too. No wonder CB radio has a bad rep these days.. Basically anymore i think it sucks! I used to be on a lot but anymore im lucky if im on once a week.
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Mrhappy
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 8:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please dont lump us all in one catagory,as i drive a big truck for a living,and i think its
a problem in society as a whole,people are in such a hurry,and don't give a second thought about the other guy,its a darn shame.but i'll tell
you this,you see a white kenworth roaming around
the midwest with a greif bros.wagon,just give ol
"HAPPY" a shout and i'll be glad to ratchetjaw
with you. take care guys "HAPPY"
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Bill Maverick
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 9:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To all:
Most of the real drivers out there run Galaxy 66's or better. Some have the Cobra 29 Classic and some run the Northstar. About 90% of these radios have echo and tone. If they hear a stock radio with no echo they usually will not answer.
Also there is a way to talk to drivers. It is a different language than talking on a base. It has to do with the slang, the tone of the voice, and the demeanor of your speech. I cannot explain it. It is something you just pick up on the road. I guess you just have to be in a big truck out there to pick it up.
I know that the hardest ones to talk to are the bull wagons. At times they will not answer me.
As for what Warlock stated. My understanding of the driving schools out there is that they are about 4 to 6 weeks long at a cost of anywhere from $2,500.00 to as high as $4,500.00. They drive a little, learn to back up and obtain a CDL-A license. After this, they usually go to a co. such as JB Hunt, Schnider, Swift, or Werner. This is where they learn how to drive to an extent with a trainer. About 1 to 3 months later they are turned out on their own running team. Some of these Co.'s are government funded to train drivers. This is where the scary part comes in. A kid 21 years old has no idea about the real world of truck driving. Remember that this kid is driving a big truck pulling a 53' trailer with anywhere from 30,000 to 40,000 lbs. behind him, and his co-driver is in the sleeper. He is in control of this 80,000 lb. vehicle. He thinks that his poop does not stink. This is where the aragant personality comes from. In his mind, the 4 wheelers are below him. This is just a sad state of mind.
I am no great truck driver but I have been out there for a while. Those are just the cold hard facts. I hate to burst anybody's bubble in a 4 wheeler, but that is just the way it is.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of young drivers out there that are very good, but they are few and far between.
If I give the impression that I am pointing a finger at anyone, I have 3 fingers pointing back at myself.
This is only one driver's opnion. If the good Lord lets me drive another 20 years, I still will not know it all.
Oh, by the way, I never had the luxury of going to a so called "Truck Driving School". That is why I am not considered a real TRUCK DRIVER.
This is just my critique on the subject.
Ya'll take care.
Bill (Maverick)
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Taz
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I understand what you are saying about how you have to talk a certain way. I understand that there is a certain way and i can get a drivers attention. You have to say the right words or no response. I guess its somthing that only people who hang out on 19 will understand!


Taz and im out
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Triplecguy
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 1:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Maverick, I think that was one of the best statements ever made on this forum. I agree with what you say completely. And remember, going to any school doesn't make somone smart if there dumb to begin with!
73's
Dan
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Warlock
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 7:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think these "slang terms" and special talk is left for the "super truckers" and "Billy bigriggers". The ones (IMO) with all that false talk do it for their own ego boost probably due to some psychological problems.
There is an ongoing rudeness and thoughtlessness (is that a word?) of the general public that has been developing since the early 90's. It's a shame. Unfortunately we now feel priviledged when we run across a kind person. Ther's still a few out there.
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Taz
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And remember, going to any school doesn't make somone smart if there dumb to begin with!


Maybe you shouls re-phrase that!

A 1 year old is dumb, after going to school will educate him!!!!!!!!!
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ncrebel
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just hide around a gas station or at a busy
intersection where they don't know if I'm a trucker or not...I'll usually get a reply that way until they figure me out.lol
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SSB2103
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 1:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gent, here in Calif they are somewhat strict about how one conducts business, so the trucker are somewhat contolled. I haven!t any when on the road out here to be too bad. Some are polite and some are just what mamma taught them to be. They are given two lanes to work with and thats what they use. As far as the big and small I don!t have any problems with it. It is a matter of math, you just leave them big suckers alone. The traffic out here is on 17 and it is a madhouse. The base-station seem to take offense at all the bleed over OK I must go.
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Westwind
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 4:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think one of the biggest problems with CB today is the use of foul language.Alot of CB'ers out there don't understand that most people don't like to hear MF this and GD that every other word.I know I don't.When I hear some one on the air talking like that I'll turn my radio off.That's probably one of the big reason's why CB is'nt used by alot of people anymore.Just think about it,If you and your family where going on vacation and you had to drive to get there would'nt you like to take along a CB to help know where the traffic tie up's are and smokies are setting up speed traps?I know I'd like to be able to do that but you can't unless you want to expose your 5 and 6 year olds to that kinda talk.I know I can't protect my children from that kinda talk forever but I can try.There use to be a time(long ago)when the average family kept a CB in their cars,but I'm afraid those days are gone.What a world we live in............Westwind
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Bullseye
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 7:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taz a one year old is not dumb it is uneducated or never been taught a 21 year old idiot is what is being refered to as dumb here and that is being kind to alot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bill Mavrick
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 8:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To all:
I guess that I was a little long winded. Sorry.
I would like to give a comment on the foul language.
Again, this goes back to the young driver. They are in a big truck and feel protected. They have the idea that they cannot be challenged, or dealt with. WRONG!!! These little aragant drivers are challanged by good drivers all the time. It comes in the statement from an old driver that is from the old school. Their answer goes like this. "Pull over driver, and we'll talk about it". That is putting it mildly.
Rest assured, the trash-mouthed drivers are dealt with. Their answer when challanged is usually answered like this. "I don't have time, I have to get this load delivered on time".
Anyway, don't worry, these drivers are dealt with, and always back down.
Thanks for all the input.
Ya'll take care.
Bill (Maverick)
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Bulletproof
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After 27 SAFE years on the road (car hauler-Teamster) I FINALLY got one of those "loud mouth Billy Big Riggers" to pull over @marker 17 (Quartsite AZ.) last week. He turned out to be ALL of 5 foot tall, with a mouth MUCH bigger than his body. After I exited my truck to question his particular problem (and I am NO "John Wayne") he left in quite a hurry. What a Wuss !!! But, that's the so called "new breed" for you.....Work for nothing, and they are NOTHING as a person. Just my thoughts. As far as "bear reports", since 9/11, no-one gives bear reports anymore. If you need them, then you have an employment problem that you need to deal with. I get paid enough I don't have to speed and endanger the public.
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Colt
Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 7:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I sorta wonder if it has to do with economics as to why you don't hear bear reports anymore. We all just aren't as poor as we used to be, including truckers. Perhaps they all have radar detectors now and don't need bear reports. Also, I wonder how much of the bear reporting that used to go on back in the 70's was as much drivers just wanting to talk on their radios(CB being new to truckers back then)as much or more than actually needing a bear report.
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bruce
Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bulletproof back years ago a basketball played loved driving VW's ( it happened about 20 years ago and made the papers) and had one modified so he could fit in it Some YOYO decided to call him out over a minor traffic problem and demanded her get out of the car he did all 7 foot of him... like you said sometimes it just takes a realty check i chuckling reading you posting and thinking on that
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Taz
Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

but he still has only a lack of education and can be taught
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Mrhappy
Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's a small minded man that thinks violence is the answer to anything! as for having to talk a
certain way,well that notion is just silly to say the least,treat people with respect and you will find they return it back to you.and calling people names isn't a solution,it's part of the problem,It's time we start educating people,and quit acting so high and mighty,would'nt you agree!!As i stated in a earlier post i drive a big truck 22years,and i still dont know everything.and if you pull over for one of these guys who want to fight,it may be the last thing you ever do,think about it.lets all grow up.
BTW:This is not directed at any one,this is just my humble opinion.
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Chris leggett
Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 11:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have all seen the bad drivers.We will always see and hear about them,we won't hear about the good drivers just because thats the way the ball bounces.I personally don't care who I'm talking to,4-wheeler,motorhome or a truck.As long as they can carry an intelligent conversation.

As far as speeding goes.I believe that 55mph out in the desert with no one around is a dumb law,especially when cars can go 70 mph.It's actully safer if I run 65 mph(thats all My truck will do).I've seen several wrecks where the car ran right into the rear of a truck goin 55,but then again if they hit it at 55 they would probly hit it going 65 too.

My other "excuse" is that I do a loop.VictorVille to vegas,unload in Vegas,dead head to Laughlin and get re-loaded and head home.It saves me an hour or two,after 15 hrs in a truck 2 hours less is like a dream.

I'm a "local" driver and I know all 4 cops on my route and I'm not concerned about getting a speeding ticket,especially when some "tripple digit midget" blows my doors off.But I would like to hear about road closures or some guy trying to change a tire with his butt in the slow lane.


An "employment problem" as Bullet proof called it.LOL when I first started driving truck....gulp 4 years ago I was making .18 cents per mile!Out of that .18 cpm I had to pay tolls,weights,food laundry ect.I almost lost everything I owned due to the low pay(and sitting 3 days on a NJ turnpike waiting on a load).Ok I'm ramblin now.See ya'll on the big road.
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RCI2990
Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 4:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok here goes.
Were i work the company has their very own drivers that are paid by the very same company i work for. None of them are ever rude or obnoxious because most of them have 20+ years on the road for the same company and they all seem pretty content with the company they work for. Now some of the drivers from private companys are pretty cool and easy to work with too but some of them are very rude and very impatient epsecially when im loading/unloading a trailor or doing the paperwork. LOL theres a few id love to drive my forktruck forks up their rears becasue they Pi**ed me off! I guess it takes all kinds....
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Monster
Posted on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris, I ask myself that all the time. I know that 15MPH over the speed limit is a FELONY in CA. so most drivers do the speed limit. I run a bird dog, and scanner, if I'm going thru CA or Ohio I try 2 run at night. Also alot of Mexican Drivers in CA that speak to each other in Spanish and won't talk to anyone speaking english. Most drivers run co-phased antennas. With all the mountains and curves their range is limited so most driver have to "hold hands" to talk. I guess it's a California thing.
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Dc5211
Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 2:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my,my,Gentlemen,such info,Yes I Drive a truck for a living,Union Frieghthauler, 0.51 cents a mile, run team from sacramento cal to carlisle pa. every week, been with same company for 26 years, run scc to clp for last 6 yrs, Yes a 85,000$ yr job pluss all bennies, nd full retirement, 58 yrs old, retire in 4 years, what are you guy's thinking of out there?? come on this is not a toy world, we do not speed for the most part, we are not low lifer's as you think, why don't we talk? most of us are on Ham or freeband, listen to freeband, no r beeps, no echo, no foul lang, good God fearing people, over 2000 clube members in the blue sky club alone all truckers, you cb,ers look around, we are out there,, God Bless ,, D.C.
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707
Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 9:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Having lived near the intersection of I-44 and Hwy ** for years, I can tell you ch19 is alive and well, although I do know many truckers turn down the volume as they near particular areas because of the number of locals who thrive on "agitating". These lonely losers will spend their last welfare dime on a radio just to sit on ch19 at night, making noises and threats, causing cacaphony and consternation. There are some truckers operating on 26.865(the "switch down" channel 19 on some converted radios).
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chris leggett
Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 9:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

26.865 huh.Guess I need to retune my antenna again :)
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NCUNIT33
Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 9:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is still active and strong in my area in NC
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Cuddlebear
Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 6:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well,

Guess I gotta put my 2 cents worth in here. I know I'm gonna get rifled over telling this one but being I was in the trucking industry for many a year here goes. Do me a favor, when you all shoot me, pull the triggers at the same time huh? But hey, I know plenty of those years, 70's-80's and let me tell you. That was the real decline in the manners of "most" truckers. Turn on the cb on any given night, any given Truckstop and you hear "Where's the smoking dope" or "Anybody got some road aspirin?" Or how bout the fact that most truckers would trade female hitch hikers to each other like baseball cards? Most truckers would let a man hitch hiker starve out there. Talking about, "My insurance won't permit me to take riders." But I noticed many wouldn't care about that when it came to a woman. That's because she could "pay" for the ride. And how many of these magnificent men of the road kissed "momma" (slang for their wives) goodbye for a 6 week stretch. And let's not even get started on the term "Good Buddy" which used to be used in a decent manner until the 80's when certain elements managed to even pervert that! Now like I say, not all were that way, But enough of them are, that truckers have always had a bad name. Most people that drive truck are out there cause they aint worth nothing else. They can't function anywhere else in the job market because their rebels without a clue. Every night I still hear it on 19. They kiss momma bye, but have no problem pimping a 15 yr old lot-lizard out of their rig. yep, great breed they are. The industry has always been garbage, and never will change.
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Mrhappy
Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 6:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cuddlebear,despite your opening sentence,i don't think your off the mark at all.we all know the new breed of truckers,cb rambos,agitaters,it's a sad state these days,an don't understand what drives a grown adult to behave like this.
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RCI2990
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 1:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cuddlebear.
I agree somewhat but i DO know some local and long distance drivers that are pretty decent. Guess you have the good with the bad eh?
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BATTLESTAR
Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 2:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is still between 18 and 20?
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JERRY R SIERS
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CUDDLEBEAR:FRIEND I DRIVE FOR YELLOW FREIGHT NOT EVERY PART OF THE INDUSTRY SUCKS. WE HAVE THE YOUNG , RUDE , AND YES STUPID DRIVER'S WORKING FOR US , BUT MOST ARE RESPECTABLE AND RUN LOW 19 OR LOW 31. WE STAY THERE BECAUSE MOST OF THE DRIVER'S FOR THE OTHER NON UNION COMPANY'S CAN'T STAND A FREIGHT HAULER OR CAR HAULER FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.I'M NOT GOING TO BRAGE ABOUT MY BENIFITS OR MY WAGES.GET ON LOW 19 OR 31 YOU WILL GET YOUR BEAR REPORT IF YOU NEED IT MOST OF THE TIME, BUT NOT ALWAYS. THEY CALL ME J.R 32 YEARS
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Grumpy8220
Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 8:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My father was a trucker for many years and was alway's there to help someone stranded along side of the road. Like in any occupation you will have good and bad people. In my area we have a truck convoy every year on Mothers Day for the MAKE -A- WISH FOUNDATION,I know of drivers who have done this for a long time giving these kids a ride in a truck as a wish. I have seen many drivers with tears in their eyes every time when it was time to say goodbye to these kids, many for the last time. In my area channel 19 is not that bad, we have people on channel 21 who are much worse than ch.19. As they say don't judge a book by its cover!!!
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blacksheep
Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 1:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I myself find the stupidity running rampent on 19,and find myself on 19 less and less ,and thats why it's hard to get truckers to reply to you these days,there sick of the foul mouth agitaters too!so alot of us guys are on the off channels.were not trying to be rude,we've just have had enough.
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RCI2990
Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 3:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Some of the drivers use oddball channels like 26.905, 27.805 and so on because of the congestion on CH 19.. Yeah they are on illegal channels but they at least get away from the lot lizards, foul mouthed agitators, and overall idiots that abuse 19.
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KGG1157
Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Out here in the sticks of Atascosa,TX I always try to help out the drivers when possible. I live round 5 miles from I35..the 135 yard stick matter of fact. It's a major vein to Laredo etc....
As a base station, I have the cabability to hear things they don't..if it's worth the hoot, I pass it along. Only aggravating thing is all those radio checks.....check is in the mail. No credit.

73s
Big K-Base Kgg1157
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Funtimebob
Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 1:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You wonder why Truck drivers are Grumpy?? the way Diesel prices have skyrocketed I would be grumpy myself. Just think about it. My stepson has 3 kids and drive a truck. Works his butt off and Knows that drivers are generally unapreciated for their effort.

How many of the drivers have to cook the books just to try and make things meet and are eaten alive on their taxes. they dont call them "Comic Books" for nothing. my stepson just recently lost his 2000 mustang because he couldnt afford to keep up the payments, and will most likely face the IRS nightmare because he is unable to catch up his federal taxes. all for the privelege of working 7 days a week.
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Dozer
Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 9:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Channel 17 for California and most other west coast states.19 for most mid western and east coast states.Thats what I have found traveling around the country.But in southern Cal. they still use 19 most of the time untill you come over the Grapevine,I 5 south then its strickly channel 17.