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Radiodude
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 10:07 pm: | 
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I got a new computer for Christmas!!
It is an HP 753n It has a 2.5ghz processor with 513 mg mem a DVD player and cd burner, I also got a 17in LCD screen and a HP 2210 all in one printer fax copier scanner which also has places to put my digital cam cards and the print the pics,
AWESOME system!!! |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 11:42 pm: |
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looks good to me
its obviously a p4 which actually clocks about the same as an AMD 2200+ or slower on the amd scale.
Nice system!! |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 1:51 am: |
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out of curiosity,
What kind of systems do all of you guys run? |
Cobra0020
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 2:07 am: |
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I Run A Dell 2.8 P4 With 512 ram And A A250
G Force4. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 6:58 am: |
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I made mine its a 866P3 with 1 GIG of 133 mhz ram a 128 meg vidio card a 40 gig HD CD CDR DVD and the good old 3.5 floppy. Next i need to get a big monitor since my eyesight is limited close in.
Bruce |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 4:15 pm: |
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hehe, I have a few systems here
Mine is a 1.33ghz athlon t-bird with 768 megs of PC 133 ram |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 4:18 pm: |
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Im going to have a Ti 4600/4400 in my box soon |
Cobra0020
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 5:48 pm: |
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Pc 133 ram is so cheap now taz Try to get DDr Ram For A P4 |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 6:29 pm: |
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cobra,
my mobo will not support ddr ram
and the p4 in my opinion is junk, because it compares to an athon about 300mhz slower than it.
so
a p4 2.8 would be equivalent to an AMD Athy 2.5 or 2.4
And thats a proven fact.
Taz |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 7:47 pm: |
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tax its only numbers .... my p3-866 runs xp just fine and my laptop is a 100 meg with 40 meg of ram does anything i need! |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 8:05 pm: |
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I got an antique hp mx70 with a snail 1gig processor,?megs of ram,can't find it in the literature,32.89 drive c,55.90 drive e,deskjet 632c,scanjet 4400c,cd burner.It's a year old,like I said antique.Got a remote headset,stereo speakers,webcam,usb hub,lazer mouse.Just the very basic stuff nothing fancy.Can't even afford broadband,just got a phone line ,52kbps best speed,yeuch. |
Insider
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 11:23 pm: |
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I'm still using one of the original Power Mac G4s. It has a 350MHz processor, 20GB HD, 256MB of PC100 Ram, and a freshly installed copy of Mac OS X v10.2.3
The system doesn't run too bad after a little tweaking. |
Apocolypse400
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 12:36 am: |
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Home Computers;
P4 2530MHZ
1000Megs DDR RAM
AMD XP1800
1000Megs DDR RAM
Work Computers;
AMD XP2200
1000Megs DDR
AMD XP1700
512Megs SDRAM
AMD K6-2 350MHZ (Laptop)
64Megs PC100
Yes Its Slow
Taz, Intel and AMD are like Chevy and Ford, some people like Chevys Some like Fords, that doesnt make one better than the other :>
Steve |
Funtimebob
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 4:26 am: |
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Ibm pc300-pl 500mhz 256mb pc-100 12gb salvaged from a dump bin and restored to active duty. flea market monitor & junky keyboard w microsoft intellimouse optical. |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 7:31 am: |
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Steve if you have read the latest reveiws on AMD v.s. P4 you would know which is better and which is favored by most. |
Highlander1588
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 8:53 am: |
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The main key to a smokin pc is mainly in the bus speed, alot of the on market types are 100,133mHZ. GEt a pc with a 400MHZ or more front side bus and you will see smoke. I am in the process of building one after a few years of rebuilding Gateway junk I payed good money for. My new one has a 2.5 P4, 30G HD, 512 MB of pc 2700 DDR ram with a 533 FSB.. Also make sure your hard drive is a 7200rpm and not the 5400 rpm,,will make a big difference. |
Apocolypse400
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 3:12 pm: |
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Taz,
I was just givin you a hard time :> You seemed so strongly PRO amd.
Actually you have many reviewers that are biased to intel and just as many biased to AMD. The fact of the matter, at equal MHZ, there is very little diffrence between the two. I dont prefer one over the other, but Intel's run cooler and have far better motherboard choices. AMD's cost MUCH less, and perform just as well. So in the end it comes down to QUALITY. It doesnt matter which processor you choose, as long as you buy QUALITY motherboards, and other components.
By the way, I build computers for a living.
Steve |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 6:36 pm: |
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I guess I'm invisible,hmmm,lol. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 7:03 pm: |
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the LAST AMD chip i will ever buy was a K6-2 450 it was the WORST prosser i ever used sorry but it realy turned me off i shure hope they make better ones now THATS why i used a proven P3-866 it is flawless and with 1000 meg of board ram and 128 meg of vidio it is fast even with XP. |
Bracketbird
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 7:56 pm: |
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Dont laugh...mine is a 633 mhz but its better than my last one...lol...happy new year all |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 8:08 pm: |
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I have built several myself Steve and I have to disagree about the heating issue.
I would say that the Athlon XP's run cooler than the p4 according to my studies. But yes, some other athlons can and do run hotter than some p4's it all depends on fan and heatsink configuration along with case ventilation and ps fan.
Have you read the reveiws on windows longhorn yet?
also have you heard about the sledgehammer yet? |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 8:11 pm: |
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True highlander, but also keep in mind too that if your running dual system bus (like the p4) then can cause problems such as coliding and slowing issues.
Yes harddisk speed makes a difference also as well as the buffer |
707
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 9:15 pm: |
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Just my two cents. I think AMD stuff is fine, but in my experience with our radio station digital audio systems which run 24/7(or at least are supposed to), pretty much constant load, some spend 8 hours a day doing intense audio editing and mastering work, the AMD chips have given us more trouble. This seems to be a cooling issue more than compatibility. As far as speed, the average user is not going to see any substantial difference between CPUs in everyday use, benchmarks aside. There are so many diverse parameters involved in real life usage as compared to benchmark testing that it's really personal preference. If you want to save some bucks and get a fast machine, go AMD, but make sure it can breathe. If money is no object(as is common in corporate environments) then go Intel.
BTW, I've yet to see a PC that will beat a G4 Mac in video/audio editing ;-) |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 9:33 pm: |
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Hey Bigbob, your not invisible as I think I've got you beat, but on the lower scale. Two computers, both slow and non expandable. One has a 33K modem, the other a 28.8K (which the monitor just died).
I hold my head in shame 
Actually, I just came back from Texas where I went into a Dell outlet for more research, and was already planning a new computer buy. I may hold off on the purchase until summer when I move to Washington state, but that is not decided yet. I need to get caught up with technology at home real bad. May do it sooner as I can't even get into some websites from these two. Just too old and slow.
We'll get there this 2003 year for sure.
Alsworld |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 11:07 pm: |
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707,
I have ran my cpu at 100% load for 10 hours at a time and temp only raised 2 degrees celsius.
And it usually sits at about 38-40 degrees celcius. |
Insider
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 12:16 am: |
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Alsworld, I have you beat.
I have an original IBM 8086.
Dual 5 1/4 floppy drives
No Hard Disc.
Green Monochrome Monitor (who needs 16 million colors).
No Modem
No soundcards
Processsor running at a Whopping 8MHz (think that's what they came with).
DOS 2.11
No mouse
Hmm, think I could get Mozilla to run on that?
707 I use my Mac for that purpose in addition to other mundane tasks. I got a copy of Pro Tools Free version on it and it works well-haven't tried it OS X's classic environment yet.
Apple unfortunately, can't compete with most of the value minded consumers as you can get more PC than Mac for the buck and the average user who just checks email, surfs the web, watches DVDs ect won't notice the difference.
I thought Apple was moving in the right direction when it allowed Clones in the mid 1990s. I have one of the Power Computing machines and it's excellent. I think that's just what the Mac market was waiting for. It's funny how Microsoft is accused of having a monopoly on the most open platform out there, yet Apple truly has a strangle hold on the Mac segment and nothing is said. Not that I think Apple should be forced into allowing clones again, after all, it is their product. |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 12:47 am: |
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well
my PONG game would beat it |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 4:24 am: |
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Taz
I still have and sometimes even USE my comodore 64
And it dosn't have a AMD chip either. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 7:51 am: |
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Alsworld hold off on that dell my sis bought one 2-months ago techs been in it 4 times to correct problems,try hewlitt packard,not one problem since got it that I couldn't handle on line. |
707
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 10:26 am: |
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RE: Dell-
for what it's worth- last year I bought and deployed 250 Dell GX-240 machines running Win2k and some audio encoding software. These are boxes we use to stream stations on the internet. Most were in place by 2/02, with a Antex SC-22 audio card and two port serial card added, running 24/7 since then with no failures.
Personally, I got a lower end Dell last Christmas for my kid to use, running a Celeron 1Gig and it's been running fine for a year.
I also use a Dell C800 and C840 laptops daily. About 97% of our company laptops are Dell.
The company I work for has well in excess of 20,000 Dell machines in the field and we rarely have hardware related problems. Many of these machines are running 24/7. At the radio stations, generally we have HP servers with Dell workstations.
I just got 2 new Dell 2650 servers for "my" rack at work.
We are pretty much a Dell shop, as you can see ;-) (ok, we do have a few Compaq servers...)
If Dell was cruddy, believe me, we'd either build our own or go back to HP(yes, back...Vectras were junk) |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 3:12 pm: |
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707
up untill last year i built computers for the handicapped kids on my little league we liked and used cel prossers NOT ONE has failed and i still use a 800 meg one in my wifes game machine very good for the money they cost!
Bruce |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 5:57 pm: |
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RE-
Bigbob,
HP's are nice. But im a fan of compaq, even though hp bought them out.
I used a dell once and there was a p4 in it, it ran about as fast as my celeron 700. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 7:07 pm: |
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My sis's dell has a 2.4 g processor so my nephew says |
Bulldog
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 10:35 pm: |
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Stick with DELL's Alsworld got 4 at home, also my workplace run's 104 of them (that I take care of)and these things run 24/7, and had one problem. Bad NIC card, Dell shipped it out next day delivery. |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 10:55 pm: |
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well Alsworld, depending on what your willing to spend
Building your own box would be cheaper and you would get somthing much faster.
But if you just want to buy it, and you want the absoloute ultimate, and your willing to pay,
www.alienware.com |
Apocolypse400
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 11:48 pm: |
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The numbers tell the truth for me. In 5 years.....
97 DOA AMD PROCESSORS
32 AMD Processors Replaced within the first year of ownership 'CPU Fan Working'
2 DOA Intel Processors
0 Intel Processors Replaced within the first year of ownership 'CPU Fan Working'
We buy Intel Processors 70% of the time, only because we cater to Business Clients Mainly.
HUNDREDS OF DOA motherboards
If our clients dont have us build them a computer we ALWAYS recomend DELL, but NEVER the 699 flavor of the month!
Taz, Longhorn... WINDOWS 3D is all I have to say, VERY cool.
Steve
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Cobra0020
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 12:06 am: |
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Taz you Are right in one way the dell's Do Run Slow. But one thing I Think your wrong is about liking compaq. Compaq Is The Worst Company Ever. Even though It Is Run by Hp It Still Legs In Support unlike Hp Or Dell. |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 1:01 am: |
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Wow, thanks to all for the information. I'll probably just buy this one, although building does sound very intriuging, but realistically probably in the future. I want a Chevy/Ford so to speak, but will get many upgrades as I shop.
I went to a local computer shop today for advise. I know it's hard to believe, but this guy tells you what it's all about for free. He just likes to talk computers (he fixes, not sells new). If I were to go Dell, probably a 4550 with multiple upgrades to ram, hard drive, memory, etc. Flat panels are too high for now but probably a flat screen (or vice versa, the cheaper but decent 17 inch screen. My nomenclature may be reversed).
The shopping is fun and I'll probably drop between $12-1500 but the family needs it. I'm tired of slow computers at home after getting spoiled with my work computer.
Ironically, we use almost exclusively Micron computers at work, and they work great. But...reviews for the home computer aren't so good (according to magazine articles I've read). At least at work we have full time computer bubba's to fix what we screw up 
HP's rate high also. I'll let ya'll know once something is purchased.
Got to go check out Taz's Alienware link now. See ya later.
Alsworld |
Wyatt_Earp
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 1:37 am: |
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One of my systems is a home made setup. It has a P4 1.8GHZ overclocked to about 2.2GHZ, 256MB RAM, 200Gig harddrive, Sound Blaster Audigy, the new(public can't get) ATI graphics card(overclocked), CD-Rom, DVD writer, 2 floppy drives, 5 cooling fans, Klipsch THX certified 5.1 sound system, 19" color monitor, and a cable modem. One thing I tell people is to NEVER buy a Compaq. All the are good for is to throw out the window. I owned several and will never use one again. Also, DO NOT use Windows ME(Microsoft Error). |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 7:13 am: |
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I have win ME FULL version and it works just fine it never causes any errrrrors in my machine! All kidding aside stay away from ME to many bugs
Bruce |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 1:56 pm: |
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Cobra
I can email compaq tech support and have a perfect answer to my question in less then 5 minuites.
Since compaq is owened by hp, they now have hp support. So..........
I can call compaq tech support and was not put on hold and got a perfect answer to my question within 4 minuites.
I called dell on the phone and waited on hold for 30min.
Wyatt Earp,
Im sorry about your issues with compaq, you must have bought them years ago, or you didnt buy the correct model, with the amd 462 chipset and the apollo boards. Those are honestly the best ones.
I have owned 4 compaqs and not a single problem with them what so ever. |
Taz
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If you want a real machine, take an alienware
If you want the best take a sunmicrosystems.
Any sun will outbench any mac or pc, even there slowest models. |
707
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 5:50 pm: |
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Taz- here's a good program to do some benchmarking on your own. Let me know what you come up with on that AMD..
downloads |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 6:07 pm: |
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Taz
best for the money if your not playing doom3 is a celeron 800-1gig chip i built my wifes game maching with that 500 meg of ram a 128 meg nvida card and 2 40 gig drives it screams on return to castel wolfnsteen and all the tomb radre games |
Taz
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 8:30 pm: |
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anyhow,
Im building a new machine
Asus Motherboard for AMD Athlon/XP/Duron Processors, Model# A7N8X (support AMD XP2800) Retail
Specifications:
CPU Supported: Socket A AMD Athlon/XP/Duron (600MHz - 2.8.GHz up to XP2800)Throughbred core CPU ready
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 SPP
FSB: 333/266/200MHz
IDE: 2x channel ATA133
RAM: 3x 184-pin DIMM Sockets DUAL CHANNEL DDR!!(PC3200/PC2700/PC2100/PC1600 non-ECC DDR Ram)
Slots: 1x AGP (Pro/8X), 5x PCI
Ports: 6x USB(2.0),
Onboard Audio:Realtek® ALC650 6CH
Onboard LAN: MCP integrated NVIDIA® MAC + Realtek® 8201BL PHY
ATX Form Factor
Im putting in my 1.33 tbird for now. Then im going to put in a 2700 after the athlon 64 comes out. |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 9:37 pm: |
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not bad in june ill upgrade too and retire this p3-866 with 1 GIG ram and a 128 meg vidio card im building a 2.5 gig P-4 |
Znut
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 11:54 am: |
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You guys make me feel puny.
My new system is a T-bird 800, 384megs ram, no network, and I'm working on finding a 32 meg geoforce 2 or 4 vid card for under 50 bucks. I do have a soundblaster live 4 channel sound card with a TON of soundfonts. Makes those midi files sound great.
Also, I have Win 2000 pro. I dropped XP in favor of it. Much faster and more stable. |
152
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 7:24 pm: |
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haha my system is the oldest of all:
700mhz athlon tbird (yes the old slot a cpu)
320megs of ram
20 gig hard drive
32meg tnt2 video
microsoft multimedia keyboard
logitech cordless optical mouse
win98SE(way more stable than XP)
my friends 2.5 ghz p4 with XP crashes more than my system
so for now im not even going to think about upgrading! |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 8:35 pm: |
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HA??? OLD i still use a 100 mhz laptop and just sent my brother my other one a 486! I agree on win 98 se i use it on my laptop and except i made the mistake of buying ME and XP would STILL be using it ... a GOOD system! MY next system will be a P4 only because they have got so cheep! If you friends machine is crashing he has a problem all our computers at work are P4 with XP or win 2000 and no problems with them. |
Znut
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:55 pm: |
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I agree on the operating system philosophy here.
ME is to 98 what XP is to 2000. I would still be using 98SE but I like having different users for my family. We can each have our own settings and the kids can't install or delete anything when they're logged in. |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 11:12 am: |
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Hey,
I still have a Toshiba Satellight 305cds laptop,
166mhz, with like 48 megs of ram. I have mandrake linux on it and I use it on a regular basis. |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 11:14 am: |
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cant wait for Windows Longhorn |
Taz
| | Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 4:59 pm: |
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Well, now that its running to perfection.
http://www.pcpitstop.com/techexpress.asp?id=SSU4WWT1YB0S1NUD
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Crafter
| | Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 1:29 am: |
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Old I still got a 8086 1mhz for paket and it has a huge 10 meg hard drive and orange monitor. Only a 5 1/4 disk drive low density. Sounds like a air conditioner running. Use dos 3.3 and paket 5.1 on it. |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 10:36 am: |
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Crafter,
those are really fun to play with. |
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