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Taz
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 12:47 am: | 
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Why cant we edit out own posts? |
Forummaster
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 10:55 am: |
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If a poster was allowed to change his post after it was accepted by a moderator he could change the basic content of the post thereby defeating the purpose of a moderated forum. |
Dx4fun
| | Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 9:26 pm: |
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Why not just have the post return for approval of the censors err I mean moderators after editing?
The way it is now any mistake made remains on display forever while the basic content may just need simple editing. Yes, I know I can email the forum master and ask him to fix my spelling errors or other embarrassing screw ups.
I am sure he doesn't mind doing it, but for some reason I would sure feel better being able to fix my own mistakes before they are needlessly seen by anyone else.
Second thoughts often require second posts which means you have to hope the reader makes the connection that post two was either a fix of or a continuation to post one. Its a bad policy and does not promote exchange of accurate information nor timely open discussion.
This leads me to believe that the whole purpose of this forum is as a sales tool and email address collection point rather then a forum really looking for users to come and share their ideas and opinions about radio, etc. Is it?
Why is there no notice that this is a moderated only forum on the announcement page?
Why did I have to join and have my personal information collected just to see there was minimal information I needed in the hidden areas?
Why is it hidden anyway, there is nothing there you can not find somewhere else on the Internet or receive in your mail box if your a Copper subscriber to begin with?
I realize that no one wants a wild and wooly forum that looks like channel 6 sounds but I think that running it like everyone here is a child needing constant control is a bit much.
Most CB'ers, Freebanders, and even a good number of HAM operators are old enough and mature enough to not be forced to raise our hands for permission every time we want to speak amongst ourselves in public.
That's my opinion anyway, rather it gets posted and the questions answered remains to be seen. - Dan
Forum Master Note : I'll try to answer your questions in the order that you listed them although I'm not sure how serious your questions are since your first sentence contains a crack about "censors err moderators". Is your post an effort at understanding or just complaining?
1) If the forum software allowed us to moderate edited post we would allow it but unless this feature is added by the suppliers of the software we won't be able offer that feature.
2) We have a choice to moderate the forum and therefore exclude the ability to edit posts or to let the forum be open which would allow for editing posts. We choose to moderate the forum. If you have any doubt as to why we chose to moderate take a look at rec.radio.cb. I have been reading usenet groups(forums) for as long as they have been available and everyone of them has broken down into a chaotic mess. By the way all the moderators except myself are not employees of Copper Electronics and help balance Coppers concerns with the subscribers.
3) Is this a sales tool for Coppers, I sure hope so because otherwise why would a company foot the bill for such a project? We don't use the email addresses obtained from the registrations as a sales tool. We hope that the forum is a useful tool thereby encouraging users to consider Copper for their next purchase. The purpose of collecting them is to tie a registered name to a real person. If someone claimed they lost their password how would we know they were the person who signed up for the account? Subscribers want to maintain their identity via a username and we want to secure that identity.
4) When you post a message you are informed that your message will not be posted until it has been accepted by a moderator.
5) If you don't find the information in the subscriber area useful I will more than happy to remove your account.
6) This is not a public forum, therefore you have to play by our rules. That is not to say that we won't listen and try to accomodate reasonable requests. If you want a public forum go to rec.radio.cb but be aware that you can't edit your post there either. We have found that it only takes a few yahoos to totally destroy a civilized forum.
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Dx4fun
| | Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:41 pm: |
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I have been a moderator for several forums (not newsgroups) during my 10 years online and have always been able to let people post their messages and edit them without needing to review it first to avoid a "chaotic mess".
As a moderator you can delete, edit, remove any post at any time and since your reading them all anyway what difference does it make if you read them before or after they are posted. None really except that then people can edit and post real time.
Ok, someone may say something bad or post spam before you saw it and removed it/them from the forum. Yes, you might even have to block someone from posting completely once in a while, but very few and very rarely.
I have no problem registering for access to a forum as I am a member of quite a few. I firmly believe all forums should require registration be used so that rule breakers can be blocked from returning after they have shown they can no longer be treated as a adult.
Which was my point, why do I need to send you my message first to approve when I have never done anything wrong?
Why do I need to have you edit my message when I have never used the edit to do anything wrong?
Our money is good enough to accept when we buy something at Coppers but we are not considered good enough to be trusted to manage ourselves when we post messages in the forum?
"This is not a public forum, therefore you have to play by our rules." I agree all I asked was why is that not posted up front so people know that before they join?
Tell people their message has to be submitted for censorship before it will be posted. Not after they attempt to post a message but before.
I say censorship because that's what being forced to submit a message for prior approval is, the opposite of free speech.
Moderating a forum means watching for a rule violation and then fixing the problem like a policeman.
The difference between the two is a very important difference for all Americans across this land.
I do not expect you to change the way you do the forum. But if you sincerely want to do the right thing you should post a notice right on the front of this forum so people know what the rules are up front - "No one may post any messages in this forum until submitted and approved by a/the moderators of this forum".
Thank you for any consideration your willing to give this matter. - Dan
Forum Master Note : We had a cb database that we maintained before this forum. Anyone could post their handle and something about themselves. Someone posted sexual remarks about an underage girl in the database. It was only up overnight but the girl and her mother did not appreciate her being exploited on the internet even if it was only for a few hours. In their eyes hundreds maybe thousands had viewed it. We had to remove the database because it did not have a moderator function. If you look for forum software the function you term censorship is called moderating. Most forums offer editing not moderating. This is taken directly from the literature of the company that wrote this forum software - "Moderated posting / message queueing (moderators approve posts before display)". You will notice they refer to what we do as "moderating".
It is very difficult to block someone's ip address nowadays because most internet providers don't offer static ip addresses. If we were to block someone by subscription we would have to require them to sign up using a fixed email address. They could not use hotmail or yahoo as their address. At least half the subscribers signed up with these temporary email accounts.
Let me offer this as an analogy. Go to your bank and tell them that since you trust them to hold your money that you think that every depositor should be able to walk in the vault. You trust them why shouldn't they trust you? Tell him that you don't have a record and that you don't appreciate being treated like a criminal. Tell him that he can start stopping you from entering the vault as soon as he catches you doing something wrong.
There is no perfect solution to this problem. If we don't moderate we risk allowing the few a window of opportunity to mallign ours or one of the peoples reputations on this forum. If we do moderate we cause an inconvenience for our posters. The choice is clear even though it is not perfect.
I have taken your last request and acted on it. You will notice the requested statement under the Copper Talk logo on the main forum page.
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Znut
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 3:19 pm: |
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That stuff under the logo looks strange. I feel like I just turned on an episode of trading spaces! LOL |
Skilletlicker
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:03 pm: |
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moderators
i want to thank you for the great forum that you
have here on the net. it has been helpful and informative ,why bother with the others when you can have the best,would like to see more of jack
elliots articles
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Buck
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:19 pm: |
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LOL....Znut...I thought the same thing!!!! I personally think copper is doing a great job with the forum and I have learned a TON of things from it. I used to check out all the other forums but I rarley do that now. Those forums seem like they are nothing but a bunch of children fighting. The reason????? They are not moderated!!! Plain and simple. I dont have any problem with this being a moderated forum...sure you have to wait a little longer for an answer sometimes but hey, my time is no more valuable than the next guy. Well with that said I would just like to commend Copper, the Forum Master, Techs 307,181,833,671,808 and last but not least moderator 558 for having and taking care of such a great forum. You guys do alot of work here just for the pleasure of helping others and you deserve a big pat on the back
Thanks
Buck |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 5:22 am: |
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Just my thought forummaster .... VERY sad someone veen if it was ment as a joke to post something like you stated. Maby because i work in a JAIL 3000 inmates most STUPID most no values no upbringing and see this kinda of behavor all day that im a bit hardened but some just dont care what they do to others. Copper forum no doubt is the finest on the internet you got problems these guys got answers ham or cb dont matter we stick together and shure we barb each other but all have a good time! |
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