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Buck
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:30 pm: | 
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Did anyone hear about the division 3 girls basketball player that turned her back on the flag during the playing of the National Anthem???
Personally I think they should deport her to Afganistan or Iraq and see if she still feels the same way. It is one thing to not support the war(I fully support it) but it is another thing to totally turn your back on your Country. She wouldnt play on my team!
Buck |
DeadlyEyes
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:48 pm: |
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Re Buck....
In principle I echo your sentiments. However we have to agree that her freedom to make political statements is also a right. BUT having said that I also feel that she should be cut from the team and or otherwise severely diciplened not for turning her back but rather for inappropriate behavior in public that reflects badly on the team.
Ya know I truly do not understand such people. Here they are getting a good education so that hopefully they can better themselves in this world and they do this kind of stuff (you know the phrpases I meant to say). Heck, Buck we both know that there are people in this world who would kill to get the educational chances this clownette is getting. And she acts this way. What the heck happened to the world Buck? Where did we go wrong? |
Buck
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 10:00 pm: |
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No idea DE....I agree with you about the right to do what she wants...This is a free country BUT this is our Country and you should support it even if you dont agree with everything that we are doing |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 4:51 am: |
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Like i said 30 years ago we were baby killers anyone who acts in a discracefull manor toward a member of our arm forces should be shot. When i got back to new york in 1970 the students were flying vietcong flage shouting die gi die. YET they had DEFERMENTS to go to school! A person like that should pay the price ...... STRIP them of all public funded school grants and lets see if 30 years from now they think its so cool! |
Sparkomatic
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 6:31 am: |
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The girl has the right to protest.......but if that were my daughter she would be asked to leave my house. I put 10 years of my life in the USAF, my Dad is retired Navy and my late Grandfather was retired Navy. That kind of disrespect is totally unacceptable. That #$@**??#@ girl is playing sports because of the freedoms that we have provided.........if she has a problem with our country's leadership that's fine but don't disrespect the country. |
Znut
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 10:33 am: |
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Did you add the symbols or the moderator? |
Crafter
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 11:27 am: |
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What school was it? So I can voice my opinion to them instead ! |
Wyatt_Earp
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 1:27 pm: |
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"this is our Country and you should support it even if you dont agree with everything that we are doing"
So, if I was to go over to Afghanistan when the Taliban ruled and lived there, I should support what they were doing even if I liked it or not??? |
Sparkomatic
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 1:30 pm: |
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I added the symbols.........what I really wanted to post would have surely been blanked out by the moderator.
Some people don't have a clue as to what it took to get us these freedoms.....a lot of blood was spilled. |
Mrhappy
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 4:20 pm: |
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Wyatt,If you lived there and didn't support them (like it or not)they would just kill you.(nuff said)
If this child is this direspectful,imagine the parents of this kid.
With that being said,I love my country,and if it asked me to kill to defend her,I would do so. |
Buck
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 4:59 pm: |
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Well here is the whole story I found on the net....In regards to you Wyatt, You have the right to support whom ever you want..Afganistan,Iraq,the Taliban,or the good ol US. Bottom line is real men live and die RED WHITE and BLUE. Heck even if Gore was in charge, Id still bleed RED WHITE and BLUE.
BTW...This girl must not have ever known a Vet from any war or had any friends or family in the WTC when it was attacked
Veteran Holds Flag in Front of
Player Who Protested Anthem
Man Ejected After Walking on Court
By CHRIS SHERIDAN
.c The Associated Press
PURCHASE, N.Y. (Feb. 23) -- A Vietnam veteran came onto the court Sunday and held an American flag in front of Manhattanville senior forward Toni Smith after the Division III player again refused to face the flag during the national anthem.
"She disgraced herself and she disgraced the flag,'' said Jerry Kiley, 56, of Rockland County, N.Y., who was ejected from the arena after he walked onto the court during the first break in play.
Kiley approached Smith as she lined up while another player prepared to shoot free throws. He was escorted out of the gym by school security and local police. There were no further protests in Smith's final home game of the regular season, a 63-53 victory over Stevens Tech.
As she has done all season, Smith turned 90 degrees away from the flag as the anthem was played prior to tipoff. Six of her teammates stood at attention with their hands on their chests, while three other teammates stood with their heads bowed and their arms at their sides.
Smith declined to be interviewed after the game.
The sociology major previously released a 250-word statement outlining the reasons for her protest, citing "the inequalities that are embedded into the American system'' and "the war American will soon be entering.''
Her protest is similar to one employed by NBA guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf of the Denver Nuggets during the 1995-96 season, which led to an indefinite suspension that was lifted two days later.
Athletes have periodically made political statements, from the black power salute at the 1968 Mexico City Olympics to Muhammad Ali's refusal to serve in the U.S. military during the Vietnam War.
Earlier this month, Dallas Mavericks guard Steve Nash of Canada wore an anti-war T-shirt to his interview session at the NBA's All-Star weekend.
"She wasn't political until she came to Manhattanville, but she's always had a sense of justice, and she's always been concerned with people who are discriminated against, and with the injustices in this country and in the world,'' said Smith's mother Naomi, a school administrator in Manhattan, where her daughter was raised along with two older siblings.
"Basketball has always been her passion, but she also reads the newspapers, and her professors have encouraged people to think for themselves,'' Smith's mother said.
Manhattanville (16-9) will play another home game Tuesday evening in the first round of the Skyline Conference playoffs.
Smith's protests have drawn national attention to the small liberal arts school in the suburbs north of New York, a school of 1,400 students less than a mile away from the public university where the New York Knicks formerly practiced.
School president Richard Berman has been supportive of Smith's right to express her opinion, regardless of whether he or anyone else agrees or disagrees with her views.
First-year coach Shawn Lincoln has had to try to keep his team focused on basketball at a time when Smith's protest has caused discord in the locker room and provoked protests at several arenas.
He declined to comment on whether a collegiate playing field was an appropriate venue to express one's political views.
Before Thursday's game at Mount St. Mary, the student government handed out small flags before the game. More than 500 people filled the small gym, jeered Smith at every opportunity and sang 'God Bless America' at the end of the game.
When Manhattanville played at the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy on Feb. 11, more than 300 flag-waving midshipmen greeted Smith with chants of "USA'' and "Leave our country.''
By comparison, Sunday's protest was mild.
A handful of fans waving small flags were scattered among the crowd of about 200, and one 4-year-old boy wore a stars-and-stripes bandanna atop his head.
"I firmly believe she has the right to do what she wants, but she's doing it on Manhattanville's dime,'' said the boy's mom, Stacey Jacobson, whose outfit included flag lapels, flag pins and a flag wristwatch. "No one's questioning her beliefs, but she should take it outside.''
02/23/03 20:43 EST
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Kb5lpa
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 5:57 pm: |
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That burns me up. I am a band director and for years have directed the Star Spangled Banner at Football games. In my position now I no longer direct the anthem so I stand at attention during the playing of the song. I can see crowd movement, caps on heads,other displays of a lack of patriotism. I do not give a rip about style, what the "pros" do, the way they act,etc. The only reason anyone is allowed to be in those positions is because of the blood shed by the US armed service personnel during times that freedom was challenged. Make all the political statements you want, but realize the only reason they can be made is because of the freedom afforded us all,earned at a price during a time of war. Peace being the ultimate end. God Bless the USA and all service men and women everywhere.
73 de KB5LPA |
Sparkomatic
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 7:02 pm: |
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I am not fond of our (AWOL during his Air National Guard Duty) President Bush but I am very Patriotic and proud of this country. Wars are not pretty and in the Grand Scheme of things they sometimes are needed. I wouldn't cry if Iraq got Nuked but I think that going to War will cause more harm than good.
I just hope that our Intelligence gathering has been vastly improved since the time that Pres Clinton decimated it. |
de
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 7:49 pm: |
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Re Bruce
I take it that you were in Nam. Or had someone very close to you in Nam.
I was one of those who had a college deferment and was lucky enough to have a very high draft number (remember those ping pong balls with the birth days on them). HOWEVER please be assured that I never ever ridiculed in thought or words those who served in Nam. And I certainly never called any one of them babby killers, or murderers. Hell as a matter of fact I respected that they risked their lives doing their duty when their country called upon them. And it was a disgrace the way they were treated when they came home.
And can anyone who can look at "The Wall" aka the Viet Nam Monument and NOT shead a tear or two for all those who were killed in that conflict.
As always, the best to all
DE
PS
I left ya a cold
Virtual breskey on the
back porch for ya. |
de
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 7:57 pm: |
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Re Crafter
Ask and ye shall receive
http://espn.go.com/ncw/news/2003/0223/1513377.html
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Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 10:11 pm: |
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That lady should be charged with being a trader. |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 12:31 am: |
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lol
I forgot the terminology, possibly somone can rectify the term issue here? |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 4:39 am: |
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I wasnt in nam ( 16 out of 18 of us were ) but that diidn't matter to them it was a army uniform Remember the motto of thoes who served during thoes times Viet vets are not FONDA Jane. |
Sparkomatic
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 7:08 am: |
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Traitor......Ungrateful American would be a better description. |
Triplecguy
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 5:00 pm: |
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Hey guys, I guess I'll jump on the band wagon too. If any of you were not aware of it, I work for the Air Force in Colorado Springs, CO. I have never been in the military, but my current position was previously filled by a military individual, and I work next members of the military everyday. And you can bet that I am damn proud of what I do. And when we put the "smack" down on the forces that are trying to tear us apart, I don't care about the money, the status, or whatever. I will keep the mountain running regardless of anything else. And if I were to come to an "unfortunate end" while doing so, at least I will know that I did everything thing I could do to help out our country, even I am just a "civilian". With that being said, I don't know if the national media covered the anti-war protest that happened here about 2 weeks ago. The protest turned violent due to the leaders of the movement encouraging civil disobedience of the attendees. Well, when the violence started, the Colorado Springs Police department tried unsuccesfully to disperse the crowd. So they used tear gas---the first time they have used tear gas since 1972!!! Well you can't believe what that started. Now the chief of police is getting his back side reamed by the city council about using too much force when it wasn't needed. Now, look at it this way; Colorado Springs has about 400,000 people in it. About 75,000 active duty military live here. 5 military bases, US Air Force Academy, Peterson Air base, Schriever AFB, Cheyenne Mountain AFS (that's where I'm at), and US Army Post Fort Carson. This town would be absolutley dead if it were not for the DOD, and the armed services and all the money they spend here. I would not have a job if it were not for the DOD. Now, you tell me how smart it is to protest the military, our government, the war and everything to do with it in a town that is 99% dependant on the military. It is absolute stupidity. I sure as heck would not want to P*** Off a special forces sargent who could kill me with his pinky toe, let alone drive away business and industry that gives people the ability to live a decent life by supporting a military activity. But wait, it gets better, can you imagine who comprised the majority of the protesters? Why none other than the student body of Colorado College, also known as CC. Now Colorado College is a well known private school for liberal arts. For only about 30 some thousand dollars a year, you can send one of your beloved children there for a good solid education in hugging trees, smoking marijuana, protesting military actions, and a philosphy in which they preach hedonism is the only way of life. Colorado Springs is a predominantly conservative town, with a big red spot of extreme militant liberalism in the middle of downtown. When I was in college I attended for the sole purpose of furthering my ability to produce something that is of some use to a corporation or myself, I find it interesting that these new college students have to find some cause to fight for that the "evil" conservatives are trying to put into effect. Folks, we need all types of people to make this world go around, but why do the whiners have to go and protest something just because they don't agree with it? I agree with what we are doing but you don't see me holdoing a sign that reads, "PLEASE GO KILL SOME PEOPLE IN IRAQ". Even if I wanted too, it is just really dumb, plus, how in the heck do these protesters get that much time off from work to attend these protests? Why would college professors with such extensive educations tell there students to disobey the police and engage in mischief? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the people with Ph.D's and Masters Degree's to try and develop methods and tools to make our country safer? The members of the US armed forces serve our country directly, but I am just as proud to serve indirectly. But everybody has the ability to make this country a better and safer place to live. I love this country and if I have to die unexpectedly, nothing would make my soul rest easier than to know I did it for the good of the fine people like you out there who care about what we have, and appreciate our freedoms and the ability to do almost anything you want to whenever you want too. I have no doubt that many of you spent time in a hole in the jungle in some country that I have never heard of, and others spent time in the beautiful desert of arabia and kuwait where women are treated as possesions, and you can't even crack a beer after having liberated a country taken over by another just as crooked. I spend my day inside of a mountain ensuring that all of the support systems are running so that the people who watch out for us can get their jobs done. It is tough, but not as bad as having religious fanatics who think they are on a mission from God shooting at you. God bless the members of our armed services, our civil service, the DOD, and each and every one of you who realizes that from time to time that the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. God Bless
Dan N. Skul
Mechanical Superintendant
Cheyenne Mountain AFS |
Insider
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 7:34 pm: |
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I can understand the protesters not wanting to have a war. I'm not thrilled with the idea of our guys and gals going over there knowing that some might not come back. However, these protesters seem to be picketing the wrong thing.
If you want to protest against war, hold rallys decrying Saddam's violations of human rights in his country. Hold rallys and vigals in memory of the civilians that Saddam has tortured and killed seemingly for no reason. All the church and state separationists, should unite to protest the fact that Saddam, at least in rhetoric, is claiming to be against the infidels.
The "human shield" people claim that they are trying to protect the Iraq citizens agains human rights violations from the foreign agressors (us), but when asked why they won't step in to aid in protecting the citizens against human rights violations from their own government, the response was they don't want to get involved in those affairs. Furthermore, one of the organizers of the shield is planning to declare bankruptcy when he returns to the U.S.
Real consistent: protest our country for its injustices and inequities, but turn around and want the protection of our laws and due process. Kind of like Marx lashing out at the middle and upper classes and associated systems on the dime of an industrial family. Don't even give this argument "Well, they needed the money to finance the movement and this was the best way to get it." Boulder Dash. You want to protest something, then you live your word and find ways of financing your movement consistent with your message.
War in this case, as awful as war is, is the right thing. Our armed forces are willing to die so that we don't have to live the way people in other countries do. Our soldiers are willing to risk it all so that we can wake up in the morning and gripe about how congested traffic is on the freeway, how we're being ripped of on the cost of internet access, and all the other stupid stuff that we complain about.
You know, I've been pretty diplomatic about this issue, both on the CB and with people on the street, because it's an emotionally charged one, but I'm losing my patience and I'm just going to say what I really think.
I wish all the Alien Abduction, Tri-Lateral Commission Conspiricy Theorists would just shut the heck up and for once accept that America can do something for purian interests. I'm disgusted with everyone saying "We just want the oil." "America's just trying to bully the other nations." Wake up. Saddam and his cronies want YOU dead period.
GOD bless all of our military services here and abroad, and GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Oh, for anyone out there, don't think because of the prayer that that's proof that we might start fighting a war for the Christian/Jewish GOD. The possible war is for freedom regardless of whether Iraq citizens choose to believe in any god at all. |
Sparkomatic
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 6:51 pm: |
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This sure is a different world than when I was in the Air Force. Downright frightening.
No excuse for protests becoming violent. |
Kb5lpa
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 11:41 pm: |
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I saw a clip of the basketball player doing her protest. What made me sick was the liberal commentator saying she was not hurting anybody so she should be left alone to go ahead and protest. (A well known professor at U.C.Berkley)
Her right to protest should not superceede the rights of those that are offended by her unpatriotic actions.
Just my opinion.
73 de KB5LPA |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 4:43 am: |
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You know what frost me is she probley is going to school at taxpayers expence! |
Kb5lpa
| | Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 10:09 am: |
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Athletic scholarship,grants, even student loans are sponsored by the government.(Title IX-athletics,others are self explanatory)Yes, it is not a great thing. I even saw the girl in an interview. She has a very liberal(IMHO) view of the world situation. Maybe one day she will....GROW UP!!!
73 de KB5LPA |
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