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Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 7:19 pm: | 
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For over all quality, am and ssb stabillity which would you rather have?
Deltaforce or Lincoln? |
Galaxyraider
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 9:57 pm: |
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Own a Lincoln as a base unit. Never heard a radio like this one pull a weak signal out of nothing and understand every word I was hearing. AM or SSB it's been a great reciever.
My belief is you spend more time in recieve mode than transmit. Unless your a motor-mouth.
Go for a Lincoln. |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 9:09 am: |
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Taz, if you want I can give you an exact comparison between these two radios. I own both. Previously used the Lincoln as a base. It's now mobile as I use the new Delta Force as a base. Same power supply, coax, antenna.....
I am at work now with minimal time but if you want, I'll lay down the pro's and cons of both radios. My overall best pick is the Lincoln. If you want to know why, let me know.
As for stability on SSB, both are very very good.
Alsworld |
Barefoot
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 5:43 pm: |
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Taz I agree with Alsworld. I have owned several of each and the Lincoln is a better radio. The Delta Force has a lot of great features and is a FUN radio but you can't beat the Lincoln.If you want to do some serious DX'ing get the Lincoln.You can further improve it by getting it Chipswitched. |
Weakeststation
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 7:51 pm: |
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Lincoln, if you would of put up a 2950dx i would of said that instead... but lincoln.. |
Barefoot
| | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 5:53 pm: |
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Weakeststation, Funny you say that. I run a 2950DX as my main radio and love it.I'm thinking about getting another Lincoln but am having excellent reports on the 2950DX. |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 3:06 am: |
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Personally, I would go for the HR-2510 or the Lincoln if I was looking for a top notch receiver. In my opinion, they have always had the best receivers in the business.
Before the DeltaForce came along, I was and still am a BIG fan of the first generation RCI 2950. What a great transmitter that one was. That was before they cheapened them up and raised the price on them. My idea of a great radio was to see a company build a HR-2510 receiver and a RCI-2950 transmitter into the same radio. It never happened.
As far as the DeltaForce goes, I now favor it over the 2950 only because it has more features. Also, since I am strictly a sidebander, I have found the Delta to have the edge over the 2950 because of its cleaner audio. Output power is about the same for both radios when they are set up correctly--just a tad under 40 watts PEP into a load. HOWEVER, neither the 2950 or the Delta can hold a candle to the FM qualitys or the far better receivers of the HR-2510 and the Lincoln.
The biggest complaint I always had with the HR and Lincoln is their poor frequency displays. Way too small and they turn to a blur when you look at them from an angle. But then my 55 year old eyes aren't as good as they use to be. My wife is a blur too.
I have had plenty of experience with these radios and many others here in my shop but as far as the above mentioned radios go, even though all 3 of them have great features and all 3 of them have their flaws, I would take ANY 3 of them over anything else the market has to offer today.
But I am still waiting for the perfect radio to come along.
Gunrunner, KC0GXZ. |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 1:49 pm: |
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Thanks Gunrunner. |
Barefoot
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 7:08 pm: |
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If you could combine the Lincoln,2950DX and Delta Force you would have the perfect radio. |
Weakeststation
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 6:39 am: |
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The dx is a wonderfull radio.. The last few years i have been getting bored and tried alot of radios.. Sold of the RCI's, and i always end up coming back to them since they are far the best 10-11-12 and more meter rigs on the market, THE BEST... HANDS DOWN... The rci has em all beat on channels, it has em all beat on ssb and the rci has em beat for having better receive & tx... Bar far, the best buy radio... Enough room to also put extra toys inside of it... example which i have, is a noise toy, echo board, 5tone beep,super talk kit, of course the switch for the toy, the nob for the echo, the on and off switch for the echo... and i still got room..
The old RCI's were a great radio, but they don't come close to the new ones.... |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 2:37 pm: |
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lincoln is by far a better fm radio i had and sold both a 2950 and 2950dx they were stock out the box good for .4UV at 29.6 the lincoln i have now will do .2 UV EASY the sound is better on the lincoln and i have had no intermod problems with it like the 2950 had. |
Weakeststation
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 7:18 pm: |
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LOL, you seen i didn't add Fm ey bruce LOL??? I gotta give the lincoln credit for having excellent fm, the new dx models are comparable, but not the old one's... |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:21 pm: |
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The Lincoln has the MRF 455, thats a 60W transistor isnt it?
Wont that be a little hard on my KLV 550? |
Sweathog
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:55 pm: |
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The Lincoln has variable RF power so you could back it down to drive the amp. |
Znut
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 3:11 pm: |
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Hey Taz!
Variable Power, on both radios. I am very fond of my 2510, so the Lincoln gets my vote on this one, even though I can't compare the Delta Force. Doesn't it have the same board as the 485's, like the 257, road pro, etc? |
Twa77
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 3:35 pm: |
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thats right taz. the lincoln has variable rf power. mine will go down to darn near nothin on the bottom end. wide open it will dk 10 and swing on up from there. |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 4:46 pm: |
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Taz
Yes, it sure will. But then, it only peaks there on occasion when you really lace into it.
That's one of the main reasons why I love the DeltaForce. You have full control of the RF power in any mode. 5 memories. Super-clean audio. Full control of the talkback volume. Frequency span from 25.160--29.695. On AM, it's even more of a screamer after the NPC mod has been done. And no cheap Chinese made surface mounted componets. This radio you can fix yourself if need be. Your not going to do that with a 2950-70 DX.
The lincole has more sofistacated circuitry than most radios on the market but still a pretty much unchanged design in the last 15 years or so. IT NEEDS A REAL FREQUENCY DISPLAY. Power is irrelevent since no one would be able to tell the difference between 40 watts and 60 watts. You have to double your power output to see a "almost" one S-unit increase on the receiving end.
The bottom line is this Taz. I've been in this business long enough to know what it cheaply made and what isn't. You narrowed your choices down to the Lincoln and the DeltaForce. Either one of these radios WILL do you justice. But in my experience, the Lincoln has the superior receive out of anything out there today.
73s my friend.
Jeff, kc0gxz. |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 6:29 pm: |
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Boy you guys replied fast. Thanks :D |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 6:31 pm: |
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Also. Just out of curosity what does the $30.00 peak and 11meter mod from copper do to the radio? |
Tech808
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 6:51 pm: |
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Taz,
Here are the Areas that Copper will Align on the Peak & Tune per the Forummasters Post on this topic.
*RX (Receive) Alignment per Manufacturer specifications.
*TX (Transmit) Alignment per Manufacturer specifications.
*PLL Synthesizer Alignment per Manufacturer specifications.
Lon
Tech808 |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 9:21 pm: |
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Thanks 808 |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 10:34 pm: |
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When the 11 meter mod is done, what will my new freq range be? |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:35 pm: |
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Taz, whatever you do, have Copper do the conversion and peak and tune. The Lincoln is harder to mod. Mine (bought used) was already mod'ed but I could give you little advice there.
My Delta Force I mod'ed myself as it's super easy, but had to have some assistance from Tech ??? who helped me tune it a little bit. I think if I had let Copper do it in the first place, it would scream even more (and does it scream stock!)
Whichever radio you purchase, let them tune it as it will maintain warranty, and if there are any problems, maybe they will find them then hopefully. My Delta Force had a problem out of the box and I had to ship it to the warranty center. Freak thing, but it cost some time. Copper Techs probably would have caught it had I had them open the box and do a tune on it. Shame on me.
As far as the Lincoln frequency range, I'm not sure about these new ones, but my older one (not chipswitched) goes from 26.005.0 to 29.995.0 MHZ.
As far as the MRF455, even with that pill, the most I've heard of it getting is around 30-35 watts PEP on sideband from the Lincoln. Maybe more tuning could pump it up, but no need really. AM power is variable as stated above, but the Lincoln will run that 550 sweet as it's all modulation (swing) on SSB. You should be fine.
Alsworld |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 12:16 am: |
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Ive heard the receive on the delta can be slightly noisy?
To sum this up, and to give me a good idea I will ask this one question.
Hows is the receive on the delta v.s. the melaka? |
Keithinatlanta
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 9:55 pm: |
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Good evening Lon. Educate me please. The question was asked about what does Copper do to the radio on peak and tune. Your response was "tune" to manufacture specs. Maybe I am dumb here. But WHY doesn't the manufacture build the radio to "Spec" to begin with? Is this like buying a car, and you have problems with it because someone on assembly line did not do their job?
Thanks for your reply in advance. I guess that is why I still sell groceries for a living.
Keith in Atlanta |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 1:49 am: |
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Keith,
I am not Lon (Tech808) but have been on this website long enough to read Tech 307's answer more than a few times.
Here is the scoop:
Manufactures make these radios in mass production. Everything is mass produced nowadays, and mostly over seas. Maybe the boards are tested, but not each individual radio is peaked to it's maximim potential for a number of reasons. Especially here in the US, where Uncle Charlie says the maximum outout for a CB radio is 4 watts AM, 12 watts SSB. To keep these legal to sell here, they meet that specification.
When a 'peak and tune' is performed at Coppers, it makes sure that you are properly setup, getting a good performance out of your radio (not from the mass production but indiviually on on scope from a qualified Tech) that will perform great, but not overdrive any other component inside the radio.
What does that mean to you? Your radio is properly peaked but remains UNDER WARRANTY!
How is that?
Alsworld |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 10:53 pm: |
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Alright!!
Let's hear a round of applause for Alsworld.
See? He pays attention to the Techs. And probably takes notes.
Jeff, kc0gxz. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 9:11 am: |
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APPLAUSE !!!!!!!! |
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