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ryan
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:43 am: | 
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hey all, this was cut and pasted from the free radio network www.frn.net and it applies to everyone using the HF radio spectrum. i have a strong feeling this is backed by clearchannel and the new world order to silence the rather large pirate radio community that lies between 6-6.7 Mhz. ok here goes......
Hello!!
My name is Don ######. I am a "regular" on the LPFM GRAPEVINE, but this is my first posting here.
I just wanted to make sure all of you are aware of the ongoing FCC proceedings on whether to authorize Broadband Over Powerlines (BPL). The proceedings are unfolding in FCC DOCKET 03-104.
If approved and implemented on a significant scale, BPL will frequently interfere with shortwave signals -- as well as Amateur Radio transmissions, Citizens' Band transmissions and radio astronomy.
You have the option of filing Written Comments in FCC DOCKET 03-104 until midnight Eastern Time on MONDAY, JULY 7.
Written Comments can be filed through the FCC's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS), which is accessible via the FCC's Home Page at www.fcc.gov
Sincerely,
Don #########
Attorney For THE AMHERST ALLIANCE
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bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:38 pm: |
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THIS IS NOT A JOKE IF IT PASSES YOU WILL SEE S9 NOISE OVER 2 - 80 MHZ |
707
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 1:07 pm: |
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I already have that noise level here in San Antonio. |
707
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 1:13 pm: |
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"I have a strong feeling this is backed by clearchannel"
My bet is Clear Channel loses absolutely no traceable revenue to anybody operating in the 6MHz band, nor will it ever. The entire U.S. pirate radio audience probably amounts to .005% of the potential audience for one small market commercial broadcast station during the Sunday night daypart. Most of the pirate audience is comprised of the pirates friends and other pirates, with the exception of a few thousand SWL scattered across the globe. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 3:25 pm: |
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this is from arrl
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2003/06/19/2/?nc=1
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Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 3:36 pm: |
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umm
My name is Don Walser
and the letters match up!
What a coincedence. |
Kb5lpa
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 5:43 pm: |
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I posted info on this back in May. Glad some are finally waking up to the fact this is a serious threat to the hf spectrum. The Part 15 compliance will be altered to allow the high noise produced by this service and the hf users will not have a leg to stand on. In my previous post comments about cutting limiters, running power, etc were made. Will make no difference if this goes through. Sad thing is that the uninformed at the FCC want it, $ are behind it, and it will probably pass. File an opposition immediately.
73 de KB5LPA |
ryan
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 6:26 pm: |
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if the powerlines can send noise over the HF spectrum, one would think they could recieve strong HF signals. if this goes through, its only gonna drive me to get a nice dirty 500 watt or more amp. then they'll see how well their system works when i key right under the powerlines |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 7:33 pm: |
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Food for thought...
Does anyone really think the FCC would allow for one minute the shutting down or massive interference of ALL radio communications in the spectrum (or any other spectrum) of 2-80Mhz as Bruce suggested? I DON'T THINK SOOO!! That would NOT be allowed to happen.
If 9 S-Units of continued noise and interference (caused by BPL) shuts down almost all radio communications in the 2-80Mhz spectrum, it would render practicly all Ham radio communications in the USA pretty much useless, UNLESS we are only communicating with anyone that gives us S-10 units or over. Say good bye to QRP. In my opinion, playing on power lines is a long ways away from ham radio.
All of that just to (and I quote) "SILENCE THE RATHER LARGE PIRATE RADIO COMMUNITY THAT LIES BETWEEN 6-6.7 Mhz"? Again, I DON'T THINK SOOO!!
Recently, the FCC has gone to great lengths of slapping fines against anyone who creates and/or is interfering with radio communications. Especially when interfering with Ham radio communications. And as of late, the FCC has been targeting local power companys because of their old, noisy, cracked insulators, outdated transformers, and power lines.
The "Broadband Over Powerlines Bill" may possibly be passed BUT it will have to be CLEAN just like any other form of communications. If BPL what-so-ever interferes with ANY, "and I do mean ANY" radio communications, "they" or "it" will be forced to shut down until their "spurious (or whatever) emmissions" are cleaned up. That's just the way it WILL have to be since BPL ALSO falls under FCC ruling.
I think some of you people are under-estimating the FCC when it comes to "harmful, spurious emmissions, harmonics, etc, etc. The FCC "WILL NOT ALLOW" the operation of BPL if it means interfering with world wide communications.
Here's the bottom line....
NO FORM OF RADIO COMMUNICATIONS (whether it be over a power line or over the air) IS EXEMPT FROM FCC RULING!!!!
And if you don't believe that, get yourself a book with ALL of the FCC Rules and Regulations and read it for yourself.
Once more with grear vigor. Say it with me....
NO FORM OF RADIO COMMUNICATIONS IS EXEMPT FROM FCC RULING!!!!
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ryan-
When you say "clear channel", are you refering to the Clear Channel Corporation? If so, what would they possibly have to gain by backing BPL and risk putting the screws to the whole radio manufacturing industry? Including their own. Or are you refering to some other "Clear Channel"?
Again, all of this to "silence the rather large pirate radio community that lies between 6-6.7 Mhz"? And also backed by "THE NEW WORLD ORDER"? If that's the case, please excuse me while I step into the tub and cut my wrists.
I'm confused. Would someone please clear this up for me?
73s my friends.
Jeff, kc0gxz
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Bigbob
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 9:49 pm: |
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GOD,I love your wit and common sense,Jeff! |
Tech833
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:40 pm: |
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Yes, Jeff is a keeper. |
ryan
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:00 pm: |
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yeah, havent you heard? the new world order is behind all this. soon there will be armies of fat masked dudes with bright colored spandex running through our town and chokeslamming and suplexing people left and right. the NWO is coming. make sure you dont have a top rope around for them to jump off of |
Highlander
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 8:36 am: |
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I think that even if you take Ham Radio out of the equation, you still have all the Aviation, Maritime, Government, Press, Military, and Commercial HF to consider as well. They won't like S9 of racket from this stuff either, and will have something to say about it! |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 7:48 am: |
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This kind of data-transmission is already used in Charlevoix Mi.pop.7500,low noise on am broadcast band,no noise on 11-meters,so it goes. |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 8:59 am: |
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Bigbob in the several countries that are using this mode the noise levels are S9 2-80 mhz 24 hours a day in a place of 7500 you might get away with it but here in tampabay (POP) 2 million its going to make one hell of a mess. The noise will rise as the number of data packets rises there is little reason to do this cable already runs into most homes this is a way for the power companys to get a cut and if it flys how are you going to fight it???? |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 9:14 am: |
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I think some have misread this thing, its not a matter of a bill 'passing' to legalize this, broadband over power lines is legal and is already being tested and used. I've read about it for over a year. The 'bill' thing concerns what the FCC rules for interference is gonna be for BPL. Like always, some fear the worst.
Scrapiron |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 10:37 am: |
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scrap correct the problem is and this is the fear that part 15 rules will be exsemped from this mode and us the radio user will have to tolarate any interferance from this mode. From what i have read where the mode is being used it is causing massave problems for radio users ..these places have no " PART 15 RULES.. of course the writer is oposed to this mode anyway but his fears are real. The bottom line is if it passesd and if we the radio user have no recourse its OUR problem cause you know where your going to get with the FCC!
Bruce |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 11:38 am: |
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Bruce, I don't really thing the thing is gonna fly anyway, from what i've read. The reason I was interested from the start, I thought it would be the only way people like me, outside of towns, would ever get broadband, however, dang if our local cable company didn't extend their lines outta town a few miles, and now I've got cable internet, which is about 100 times better than the old dialup. Only drawback, I had to take basic cable, which I didn't need since I have DSS, to get the cable internet, but its still a bargain considering the old dialup cost, plus an extra phone line, and this is so much better. You can network 2-3 or several computers together, and it doesn't affect the speed at all.
I thought the powerline broadband idea was mainly gonna be for people out in the country, where cable or other broadband was not available. So what did they do, start testing it in cities, where both the others were already there. From what i've read, its very expensive, takes amplifiers every few hundred feet, and i'd guess thats why they are trying in well populated areas, those people miles out in the woods still want have anything. Heck there's people up here in these hills that don't even have power, they go way in the boonies, buy a little piece of property, and the power company want spend thousands of dollars for one meter. scrapiron |
Bluesman
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 2:29 am: |
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Sounds like this type of data transmission generates WAY too much RFI to ever be approved.. |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 10:26 pm: |
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Bluesman
You got that right. But many people are thinking that the ARRL and thousands of Hams (not to mention the other millions of frequency users) are just going to roll over and play dead. These people are underestimating the FCC. This BPL WILL NOT be allowed to shut down or even be allowed to interfere with the already in-use and established frequencies used in the United States.
Shut down the countrys radio communications for the purpose of Data transmission? Come on people.
Jeff, kc0gxz. |
Orion
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:59 am: |
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The sad fact is that the CB'ers and Hams in this country are a pitiful handful when compared to the number of people who can't go to the toilet without a cellphone, PDA and whatever else stuck in their ear. |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 8:53 pm: |
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Orion
No truer words spoken
Jeff, kc0gxz. |
DEATH TO PLC
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:09 am: |
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Great news-have read on at least 2 occasions the "PLC' sys. has been crashed by a mobile station with only 25w on 21MHz.Hopefully the bozo's that are trying to implement here in the U.S. will have second thoughts.HaHaHaHaHaa! |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:16 pm: |
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Hummmmmm there IS a use for thoes cb amps! |
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