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Highlander
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 7:37 pm: | 
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Not looking for a flame war, just wondered what people think....I really don't like it at all. |
Dodgeman
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:19 pm: |
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A little goes a long way with me |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:33 pm: |
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I never liked echo for the longest time, but after getting the Delta Force and playing with it, I can tolerate a little echo. Too much is bad, and it's not that important to me.
If I'm on the Delta Force (AM), I'll throw just a little in there, but NEVER on side band.
The Lincoln sounds too good to screw it up with echo.
That's just my take.
Alsworld |
Bullseye
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:56 pm: |
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I agree with Dodgeman. It has its uses but,like alchohol,it should be used in moderation. |
Damyankee
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:58 pm: |
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I have the echo board in my Saturn turned all the way down. Only use it on AM (unless I forget to turn it off when I switch to SSB). It doesn't take long for somebody to remind me either! My Galaxy 93's have the variable echo & time pots. I wish that there was an indicator light on them to remind me that it's on without having to listen to the talkback. Just because of this I usually leave it off even on AM. A little is ok, usually I hear people with so much echo nobody can understand anything they are saying. SSB echo - No way. |
Damyankee
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:58 pm: |
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I have the echo board in my Saturn turned all the way down. Only use it on AM (unless I forget to turn it off when I switch to SSB). It doesn't take long for somebody to remind me either! My Galaxy 93's have the variable echo & time pots. I wish that there was an indicator light on them to remind me that it's on without having to listen to the talkback. Just because of this I usually leave it off even on AM. A little is ok, usually I hear people with so much echo nobody can understand anything they are saying. SSB echo - No way. |
67GTO
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:17 pm: |
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I like It sometimes To Play around but I don't use it while I am in a conversation alot. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:49 pm: |
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Your echo is on now damnyankee, lol. |
Barracuda
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:31 am: |
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I heard a recent conversation where 2 fellas where talking one with echo and one without. The guy without wanted to know what echo device the other had. It took 5 minutes for the guy with echo to convey the make and model of the echo mic he was using. he reason for the lenghty time. The other guy (without echo) couldn't understand what the guy with echo was saying. Yet he finished the conversation saying he definately had to get him one of those.... Go figure! (no kidding!)
I've heard that a duck's quack doesn't echo. If that's true maybe I should change my handle to duck! |
Damyankee
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:43 am: |
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I hear ya'...I hear ya'
But I only submitted it once, I think??? LOL |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 2:16 am: |
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I think its kinda cool to use on AM but boy, oh boy, if you forget to shut it off when you are on SSB WATCH OUT!!!!! They HATE echo around here and will cuss you out if you use it on SSB. IMHO thats kinda extreme but those old SSB'ers around were I live take thier SSB radio seriously!!!! |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 5:34 am: |
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Echo is good on a musical instrument(reverb),BUT A HUMAN VOICE? |
707
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:13 am: |
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It's been common in AM broadcasting to use a bit of reverb for "effect" to give the station a bigger sound. Any AM station worth it's spit would have a Fairchild 658 Reverbertron, which was a big rack mounted mechanical 3-spring reverb device. In later years, stations used digital reverb. Reverb, mind you, NOT echo. There is a big difference. The reverb gives you a "fatter" sound, while echo is simply annoying.
On SSB, the trick is compression or companding, although a bit of reverb can give you a more dense signal. |
Pig040
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:15 am: |
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Echo belongs the same place roger beeps belong-trash heap!
pig |
Tech833
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:49 am: |
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Whenever I hear someome using echo, I instinctively think the operator is somehow ignorant. Perception is reality. |
Karatebutcher
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:41 pm: |
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The only time I have used my echo is when some one tells me that my echo is on and I realived I bumped it on by mistake, I guess I would only use it to talk to Buck and Bruce |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 1:18 pm: |
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I use echo but im not ignorant.. Sir thats a pretty broad statement to say the person using echo is somehow ignorant. Im sorry, but i take offense as to what you just posted. |
Twa77
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 1:25 pm: |
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slight and i mean a slight touch of reverb is ok anything more i don't really care for. ok now how about roger beeps. i can live without them.
twa77 tony
cef 153 |
COBRA 254
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 1:42 pm: |
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When I first started talking on the radio I HAD to have Echo. But my good friend 67GTO said that some people find it annoying and to only use it turned down and if people tell you to turn it off then do it and talk without it.
I do like the TRB-1 Echo Board with endless echo.
COBRA254 in THE b Y u |
Znut
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 3:14 pm: |
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I wish Lisa Marie Presley would use more echo during her performances when she shows up on the talk/variety shows and sings. Come to think, maybe somebody else should sing instead.
I only use echo on channel 19 (just kidding) |
10ring
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 4:25 pm: |
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Echo might be the way to go if you are one of those vertically challenged operators who has one of those complex disorders and feels the need to sound TALLER ON THE RADIO!!! |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 5:40 pm: |
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Alsworld put it together pretty well.
Personally I don't mind listening to a little bit of echo providing it is correctly set. When set right, it will give a little "color" to your audio. Too many repeats sound just plain stupid.
It's always been a no-no to use ANY echo on SSB. Very unprofessional. Any Ham or serious CBer/sidbander worth his/her salt would never use echo on SSB.
And speaking of reverb, the RF Limited digital echos that is used in the Magnum radios is the closest thing to a reverb sound that I have ever heard. The trick is to not have the repeats so pronounced. The smoother you can make it, the closer to a reverb sound you will have. A true reverb produces no echo.
Anyone remember the old 12 volt spring reverbs you could buy that could be installed between your car radio and its speaker. They were small and were a REAL spring reverb. Anyone who is willing to produce them today would become a millionair in no time.
Jeff, kc0gxz. |
Tech808
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 5:59 pm: |
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Jeff,
Heck, I still have a lot of customer's who want the Reverb instead of Echo after they hear it on my radio's.
I use the Two Stage Reverb, and when people say what kind of Echo is that, I simply say REVERB not Echo.
To me a much better sound without overdoing it.
A little Echo or Reverb does not bother me and can help improve the sound.
Just my 2 cent's worth.
Lon
Tech808
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Barracuda
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 6:00 pm: |
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KC0GXZ,
Spring reverb tubs are still mass produced for guitar amplifiers. You can get them for less than $20.00. They are made specifically to be placed in amps, but I'm sure that they could be used in a similar way to what you described. Specific details left to the enterprising individuals who would find this useful. As a jump start: Spring Reverberation - Theory of Operation
Barracuda |
707
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:00 pm: |
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You can buy a used Fairchild for about $100 and have a REAL piece of broadcast history in your shack. |
Stickshift
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:37 pm: |
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I HATE ECHO! Personally, I see no point in it at all. It is just another gadget that people waste valuable time and money on. I could think of much better things to spend money on such as antennas or putting the money towards another radio or piece of good equipment. I won't even acknowledge someone who is using them one the radio. I figure as long as I keep my mouth shut, I'll be alot better off. As far as anyone else goes, if they want to spend money on noise toys, I'm not going to stand in their way.
just my thoughts
stickshift |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:18 pm: |
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If I want echo I just turn the gain all the way up on my tug-9 stand,the my little radio room sounds like winchester cathedral. |
Tech833
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:13 pm: |
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RCI2990-
Please re-read what I wrote. If you understand it, you will no longer be offended. |
Bullet
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 2:04 am: |
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99% of that i hear as echo i hate.
their is 1% that use it in a way to enhance audio and not just as a toy that sounds like sh** |
Skilletlicker
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 5:45 am: |
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they are a nice toy but worthless otherwise
the skilletlicker
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ryan
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:10 am: |
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echo is stupid. if you want a fuller sound get a compressor/limiter to hook up in line. as for roger beeps, they do have their use. i would use it for weak signal SSB when i cant tell when the other op unkeys |
Pointman
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:36 am: |
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The best polite analogy I can come up with is it is like a spice for food, just a little and it will enhance the dish, too much and you will ruin what would have been a nice meal.
I cannot deny similar frustrations with those who have it turned up so high you cannot understand them.
I find that many don't realise how they sound so I politely let them know that I am having a hard time understanding them and ask them to turn it down. They do. If they make an obnoxious comment to me I simply state that it is a shame to have a nice sounding radio that no one can understand.
In the end to each his own. |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:15 pm: |
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I dont use echo, I use a tiny bit of reverb sometimes but usually just nothing. |
Sandbagger106
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 1:53 pm: |
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I never could understand it's (echo) purpose. I still don't, perhaps it's got something to do with the users intellectual quotient. sb106 |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:09 pm: |
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Barracuda
The hyper link you posted didn't take me anywhere.
I have an old Fender Twin Reverb but I don't really want to take it apart since I am still making money with it.
I'll have to look into the ones you are talking about.
Thank you.
Jeff, kc0gxz. |
Barracuda
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 2:31 pm: |
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KC0GXZ,
For some reason the link is not working in the forum, but if you cut & paste it into a browser it works. On that site, there are relatively simple ciruits to use the reverb tub as well as product details and purchase.
Barracuda |
Barracuda
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 4:01 pm: |
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Forummaster,
Thanks for touching up the posted link. I'm not sure I know what I did wrong. But thaks anyway.
Barracuda
Forum Master Note : You're welcome. I'm not sure what went wrong either. |
Sparkomatic
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 10:22 pm: |
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I can't stand echo........when I am transmitting I want to be loud and natural not fake. |
applejack
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 1:05 am: |
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i dont care for it, it makes it hard for me to understand whats being said. one of the local cops has either echo or reverb. its very noticable on the scanner |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 1:56 pm: |
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None of my radios have echo but its kinda cool to use if you have it. However anyone that has it should NEVER EVER EVER use it on SSB because they HATE it. I used echo on SSB once and was cussed out.. |
Wyatt_Earp
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 4:18 pm: |
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I love echo. I usually run just a smidgen of echo. Kinda where it barely repeats twice. |
Codeman
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 9:17 pm: |
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Echo is useless it makes the operator sound juvenal and imuture. I dont think I or anyone needs to hear every word twice. I cannot even think of any legediment pourpose for useing echo other than trying to degrade the audio and sound quality of your station. Just my opinion... |
Bluesman
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:01 pm: |
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No noise toys. Never have, never will. Guess I'm a radio purist.
De Bluesman |
Crafter
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 3:54 pm: |
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I believe echo has its place on AM it sure helps when everyones power is on seems to take up more band. Like someone said before though no on SSB. Sorta like using a BEEP ! LOL !
Here is one does everyone remember the reverb with the slide and a spring inside and to think people bought those for 19.99 |
Mr_Rf
| | Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 4:22 am: |
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Three things improve audio characteristics of a transmitter. REVERB, BANDWIDTH, and EQUALIZATION!!!!
It's an old AM broadcast trick. The principle is "Greater AVERAGE Modulation" without exceeding peak limits that cause distortion.
In English...if you repeat what you say several times very quickly (hense, "reverb") then the ammount of time the "peak" of the modulation is present is increased, thus increasing the average power present in the modulated part of the signal. This is often referred to as adding "presence" to the audio.
A properly aligned reverb gives you that "Big Station" sound and never impeeds on the intelligibility of the audio. Makes for a LOUD sounding audio.
Also, it is important to have bandwidth to allow for some regeneration of the 2nd harmonics to the voice. The "voice range" is considered to be 300hz to 3kHz by most commercial radio standards. However, my voice is most powerful at 185hz (missed by most two-way gear). and a female voice usually sounds flat because the harmonic energy is lost above 3kHz by most two-ways. Bandwidths upwards of 5 to 6hKz is the bare minimun for real audio clarity!
And, equalization!!! No two voices preform the same over most typical transmitters. Therefore, 1/3 octive equalizaton of the transmitter characteristics is PRIME with emphasis on the mid range where most of the voice energy is present.
BTW...my opinion for voice operations, echo sucks! Can't understand half of what someone says the way most people try to run them, and echo adds no functional value to the end result, except for the novelity of having one!
Nutshell, if you really want that "Big Station" sound and punch then have the filters in the radio's IF stage changed to pass at least 6kHz of bandwidth (oops, did I say that, sorry Uncle Charlie). Then add a minimum 2/3 octive graphic equalizer (1/3 is best) to the mic input and have it tuned professionally...then leave it alone. And finally for the guys...add 50 milli-seconds of reverb to the audio product below 1.5kHz (not the hi freq audio product), and the gals...30 milli-seconds below 2.5hKz.
Mmmmmmm, guys...it's better than SEX!!!!
LOL hehehehe
Happy Radio'ing!!!!
Mr_RF |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 6:59 pm: |
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YOUR opinion,yes. |
