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Kattracker
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 7:49 pm: | 
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Since reading the post regarding "posting in the correct section" I have decided to sit out of the forum as it seems to be getting too stiff around here for me. Alot of micromanaging.
I thought the open forum was for just that,...Open! I interpret that as virtually anything goes. Yes,...I also read the rules regarding posting. It is a bit vague as the words "Please create posts in the forum section best suited for them."
The best section for a subject can also be determined by the person posting in my opinion.
If I would rather post in the open forum, so as to get a rapid response from the regular members, I would think that would be allowable and up to my discretion.
A reason I do not use "ask the tech" much, is some of my post I have made on VARIOUS subjects have not been answered. One question on "ask the tech" I posted on what are competition amps about, has remained unanswered and it was posted on 10-2-03.
I realize the techs have lives and do this on a volunter basis, I have no problem with that. In fact my hat is off to them for their commitments.
But although I hold high regards for the techs knowledge, I am also interested in hearing what everyday members have to say about technical subjects.
If you look at the dates in all the sections, the open forum has a large amount of traffic and I can get at least some kind of feedback in a short time.
I am and still will be a Copper customer and have high regards for the techs knowledge. I'll be reading the post, but I doubt I will be posting.
307 has done a great job on my radio, and I have corresponded with a handful of good people. But as said, things are a bit too stiff here for me.
Best Wishes,
Kattracker  |
ryan
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:21 pm: |
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yeah things are a bit stiff. theres a lot of censorship going on here too. sometimes i would say something in response to a post that i think is hilarious and it wouldnt get approved because it goes slightly off the subject or the moderator just doesnt get the sarcasm |
Tech808
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:22 pm: |
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Kattracker and other Forum Members.
OK, as it appears many of you wish to post in the OPEN Section then Please continue to do so.
The OPEN Section will remain OPEN for any and all question's.
We "strongly request" that you post in the designated areas to help users find answers in the future.
Thank you.
Lon
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Forummaster
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:35 pm: |
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Kattracker,
I understand your concerns. We want the forum to be fun and informative. In our haste to make the forum better we inadvertantly took away something that you considered valuable.
We are going to continue to allow any type of posts in the Open Forum section. However we ask each forum members help in trying to post in the appropriate areas.
To me posting everything in the Open Forum section is like having a one drawer file cabinet it's easy to file things away but difficult to find them later.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Forummaster
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:52 pm: |
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Ryan,
Your complaint is very different than Kattrackers. Your posts are edited because either they were "in our opinion" meant to agitate or they were in poor taste.
You might disagree with our opinion, but someone has to moderate and we try to pick individuals that understand the values that we hold and act accordingly. We want a family atmosphere here where everyone is included. That sometimes precludes certain language and ideas.
I'm sorry you feel we are overly restrictive but I feel it's whats best to keep the forum vibrant and free of arguments and full of very useful information. |
Unit199
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:10 pm: |
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I was always taught when I was growing up that if you didn't have anything nice to say, then keep your mouth shut. That is my two cents of RF. Unit199, Harve |
Barefoot
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:30 pm: |
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the forum is not fun anymore.Myself and others have backed off or gone elsewhere. |
Forummaster
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:33 pm: |
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Barefoot,
I'm sorry you feel that way. |
Astaticman
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:39 pm: |
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But a difference of opinion is what America was built on. If we don't have the right to challenge
what others say then what was the last 200 plus years about??
Laguage yes, it needs to be kept g rated. Personal attacks NO!!
But a difference of opinion, is just that!! I say allow posts that may seem contiversial(SP) with edit for laguage, and let the forum members judge for themselves. |
Ca346
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:45 pm: |
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Geez you guys! As they say in sunny California "CHILL OUT".  This forum is getting better to me. I must log into this forum 20 times a day. I hate to see anyone leave, because I value all the comments, but you cannot please everyone. I've had some of my posts not posted also... So what? I'm thankful they weren't. I agree with UNIT199, but I always seem to get foot in mouth. If I ever get my computer fixed sitting next to the radio, it will be alot more than 20/day.
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Forummaster
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:58 pm: |
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Astaticman,
We aren't blocking posts for a difference of opinion. We have never said we would do that.
We want everyone to be able to carry on civil conversations. Everyone here has seen how other forums have fallen apart because a few instigators will not let the group discus a subject.
What are the complaints about CB use.
1) Cursing - You can't let your children listen because the talk is so dirty.
2) Channel hogs - You can't talk because someone keeps blocking the conversation or rants and raves about something that has nothing to do with the subject.
Without moderating messages in this forum we would have the same thing here.
I won't let the few ruin it for the many.
By the way if we were stifling a difference of opinion do you think we would have approved this thread? |
Tech808
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:32 pm: |
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Astaticman,
But a difference of opinion, is just that!! I say allow posts that may seem contiversial(SP) with edit for laguage, and let the forum members judge for themselves.
I agree with your above post / statement 100%
But, is that not what we are doing now and have always done on the Forum?
If the forum did not allow a difference of opinion then this topic would not even be here to post to.
I also hate to see anyone leave for any reason.
As for having fun here you bet I do, with the Forum, Forum Member Specials, Chat Room, CEF Net's, E-mail Specials, Information, Product Reviews, and great Forum Member's.
Makes it pretty hard to beat.
Just my thought's as a Forum Member.
Lon
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Cactusjack
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 1:01 am: |
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I, for one, think that with all the posts that we (the members) post everyday that it would probably take at least 2 full time employees to check them all. But we have several people that volunteer there free time when they are not at their own jobs or spending time with their own families that operate and check this forum and answer our questions.for free !!!
I think if we were to help them out by putting our post in the proper section they might find it easier to find the time to answer all our questions.
These people spend a lot of time in here checking posts and answering questions which helps us (members) enjoy our hobby and I think they deserve our utmost respect and cooperation. I know it takes me about 30 min or more just to go through all the topics to see what is new, and I don't even have to answer any questions. Think about how much time it would take to go through all the new post for the day and try to answer all the questions after getting home from a hard days work.
And again I say a big THANK YOU to the people that make this forum happen everyday.
Cactusjack/ CEF124 |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:16 am: |
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Gezzz guys take a chill pill!!!!!!! As i say to my CB pals if you dont like whats being said just TURN IT OFF AND WALK AWAY! |
Dx431
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:21 am: |
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Sometimes I too will post in the open forum for a quicker response and to get opnions from fellow Forum Members, but here lately, no matter what section I post, my posts go unanswerd. It's a wonder why I even post at all. |
Unit199
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:28 am: |
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Cactusjack, I agree with you 100%. If the Techs and every one else that answer the questions and the forum was not here, then people would have to take their radios to be fixed, tuned up and modified. Oh, I forgot being converted. In my hometown, there is no repair shops. The closest is around 90 miles away. I fix, tune-up, modify radios for people and don't charge any thing but for any parts I have to use. I can't do it all the time because of my handicap. I thank the lord that the techs and people who help others with radio questions are here. I know that I sure spend a lot of time here. Just be thankful they are here, because I know I sure am. I think I got more than my two cents of RF in this time. Thanks and may the good Lord take a likin' to ya!! Unit199, Harve
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Tech808
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:49 am: |
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Dx431,
Unless I am missing something I cannot find any post's that went unanswered for you.
I found 29 pages with 43 post's with Dx431 or DX431 in them.
If you could please tell me what post's have went unanswered, I will be happy to check into it for you & see if I can help.
Lon
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Kg4ryt
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 8:42 am: |
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You think this forum is tight, just visit Qrz.com and you will love this forum!!!!
Great job Copper Electronics. |
Pig040
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:32 am: |
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In a perfect world everyone would post in the proper category, but I have had the same problem, I ask a question in the tech section, I get four or five answers, In the open forum similar questions get 20 answers. I also notice some threads disapear, like the competition amp thread that was going like gangbusters then poof gone! I like the forum, I would hate to see it go awry. |
Pig040
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:35 am: |
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Kattracker, some of your questions and responses have been the most entertaining, I would hope you rethink your position after reading this thread, with 808's, and the forummasters responses. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:44 am: |
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There's no doubt having to read and approve/disapprove all the posts to this forum takes a lot of the techs/forummaster's time and patience. I guess if we stayed with the radio topic it would help, I know i've posted junk and commented on subjects that didn't contribute anything except taking up space.
Unit199: that's a good statement you made about all the help from this forum, even an old dummy like me can repeat some of this tech stuff to the local guys and sound like an expert. ;>)
scrapiron |
Tech808
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:02 am: |
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pig040,
The threads do not just go away. I typed in "Competition Amp" in the Search By Keyword Box and it brought it up.
It had 11 replies from 7 different member's and the last post on it was from you on Oct 6.
It was posted in the Open section and maybe the members figured the question had already been answered or had no more information to add to it.
If a topic / post does not continue to receive post's to it then it will slowley contine to move on down the line in the open section until is is archived.
From the 6th to now there are probably well over a 1000 post's that have been made to the Forum.
To keep a topic alive it needs responses/posts.
They don't just dissapear but slowley get replaced / moved down by other topics that people respond to.
Lon
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Tech808
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:05 am: |
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pig040,
The threads/posts do not just go away.
I typed in "Competition Amp" in the Search By Keyword Box and it brought it up.
It had 11 replies from 7 different member's and the last post on it was from you on Oct 6.
It was posted in the Open section and maybe the members figured the question had already been answered or had no more information to add to it.
If a topic / post does not continue to receive post's to it then it will slowley continue to move on down the line in the open section until is is archived.
From the 6th to now there are probably well over a 1000 post's that have been made to the Forum.
To keep a topic alive it needs responses/posts.
They don't just dissapear but slowley get replaced / moved down by other topics that people respond to.
Lon
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392
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:55 am: |
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My thumbs up to the forum. I've always had my post answered in all categories. I've learened a lot here and appreciate this "service" provided by the members and tech.
392 |
Czar
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:57 am: |
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Well I for one also post somewhere else more often now,I have had ALOT of pm from copper members who are not happy about either moderator,or editing of post's.I understand where Barefoot,Kattracker,Ryan, are coming from.I definately would not want cursing,name calling,etc. BUT on the other hand it just seems{maybe only to me}that some posts that have been deleted {and members have sent me what they posted}were just plain deleted because the person and or persons doing the editing either did not like the post,the response to a post,or did not generally agree with the opinion of the person posting.Stuffy ? yes, I feel {just my opinion} that it is,there are alot of forums that have very well controlled posts and discussions without some of the editing and deleting that I KNOW has gone on here. I still check in from time to time but not really like I used to,it just isn't any "fun" anymore.Again this is my opionion only{well, not really it is also alot of others apparently} |
Ca346
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:43 pm: |
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You know..... After reading all of the above, it comes to mind that IF I owned this business, (and that's what it IS people) I would HAVE to constantly be watching the postings to ensure it stays within the guidelines I decided to set for the business. Put yourself in the shoes of the person across the table (Sorry, old negotiating training) and decide if you were to actually be in charge, what would you do?
It is a wonderful, fun hobby for me, but it's a business for COPPER, bottom line.
Jim/CA346/CEF197 |
Dx431
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 1:34 pm: |
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Ok, ok, here's a thought, why don't we instead of complianing about the forum,lets talk about how we can make it better? I know for a fact that some members have strayed.I for one like it here. Good info and good people. But,it has been getting alittle stuffy. In oder to keep the existing memebers from also straying and to lure some memebers back, I feel there should be a few changes.
So, I would like to hear from EVERYONE, including the Moderators and Techs, and yes, Forum Master. What changes if any would YOU like to see?
We already have a good forum here. Lots of knowledgeable people with valueable information.I would hate to see an already good forum driven into the ground. I'm sure if we all put our heads together we can make this "The best darn forum on the net"! After all, we are the ones that make this forum what it is.
431 |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:31 pm: |
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Ive never had any of my posts not get answered.. Sometimes i get a reply the same day... :-)
Kattraker dont go away, please! We need a few nore "Hoosiers" on here besides me and Bullett.. It gets lonely! |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 3:09 pm: |
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Diggerodell
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 4:46 pm: |
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WELL SAID MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOBBY |
Peddler
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 7:34 pm: |
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The copper forum can be at times a little tight around the collar, but it also has plenty of really good info. I have had post deleted and not approved for various reasons which has to do with their guidelines and I most likely overstepped the line.
On the other hand, this forum gets a little stuffy with "some" of the "holier than thou Hammers" which most just overlook and consider somewhat out of touch with reality.
In all honesty this is a good forum. |
Damyankee
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 8:41 pm: |
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Yes Jeff, very well said.
I will make just one small observation regarding the CEF Net and the "alternate frequency" issue.
There are still complaints about the chosen frequency. It is NOT my favorite either BUT there is nothing that stops any (or all) of us from going to another freq. ALL that was requested was that we do not use our CEF Numbers... NO ONE volunteered to act as controllers for an alternate frequency. OK think about this, did anyone actually suggest that at say 3PM Eastern those who would like should monitor channel "xx.xxx". I am sure that those who have their profile updated have their regular call numbers there. I frequently sign my posts with it (340-Arkansas).
Come on guys, Copper has given us SO MUCH HERE, all it takes is just a little initiative on our part. This is "OUR FORUM" because it was given for us to use, NOT OWN.
If anyone remotely likes the idea I mentioned, GREAT, let's talk it over in the "CEF Net" section! 73's Friends, CEF134 /340W.Arkansas /Ron |
Kirk
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:04 pm: |
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Dang Jeff...ya wrote a book. But I agree. We all need to remember this is free and supposed to be a fun learning experience. I have NEVER seen a better forum online that is not full of hate and ridicule. Keep up the good job Forummaster(s)!! |
pussycat
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 10:32 pm: |
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hi,im new to this forum,im sure this will not be posted,but im very sincere,you shouldnt edit,and let all flavors,be posted,unless its nasty ,etc,because what you think,may not be the same as others,,its called expanding your mine!also there was a man in 1938,who wanted,everyone,to have only one thought!,,also why dont you answer,the posts,THAT HAVE no replys?they are some of us ,might find the answers,of great help,thats what your here for,isnt it?,this is chickenladys,friend,pussycat,meow |
Unit199
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 10:34 pm: |
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Guys, the threats of going to another forum is child's stuff, "if I don't get my way I will take my toys and leave." I have been to other forums, and bar none this is the best forum on the net. The Forummaster gives us a place to do our thing and has a few rules to follow and we don't like it because it doesn't suit us. these guys do a heck of a job and my hat goes off to them. As far as I care there isn't even another forum on the net, because all the good things are on this forum. I CAN FIND OUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH RADIOS AND SUCH RIGHT HERE!!!!! Thank you guys and keep up the good work. That's my RF for now. Thanks, Unit199, Harve |
Tech808
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:21 pm: |
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pussycat,
If a post has no replies to it, then that means no one has the answer or no one reads the post to offer help.
No replies are far better than a reply from someone who knows nothing about the question being asked and offers bad advice.
Lon
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radiodude
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When it was said that "no one offered to act as net controllers for an alternate freq" WRONG!!!
I did offer but my post was not posted!! I offered to do it and was told that I was not allowed to use my CEF number!!
I said that I would standby on 27405 lsb!! I NEVER saw the post!! The Copper Forum members would not have seen my offer as it was NOT posted!!!
I have made several offers to be Net controller on a backup freq but why bother when I wouldn't be ALLOWED to us my CEF call??
I am NOT tring to cause any hate or discontent, just offer another way for those of us that can't get any contact on the primary!!
I will continue to offer my services!!! |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 1:05 am: |
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Ill say this and ill say it again.. I like it here and i will not go anywhere else because this forum is really about the only clean one left anymore! Do any of you remember Uncle Jims CB page and his once great forum? Well it no longer exists because some idiots took over and DESTROYED it and UJ gave it up... Yeah i agree that some of the guys on here can be a bit uptight but i ignore them and go on and yes some of them are the ahmmie types that seem out of touch with whats really going on. But guys, look at it this way if it wasnt for the hard work of the moderators and such this forum would go bye bye too along with the other ones. I have no problems with certain posts belonging to certain areas. Its a little thing called -ORGANIZATION- and we all need some in our lives......
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Crafter
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 2:32 am: |
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Dear god help us! Cant we all just get along !! |
Wolverine
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 5:48 am: |
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"AMEN" to that Crafter. Copper's Forum Rules, are just that. Rules, not "COMMANDMENTS". For those of you that feel that your post was unfairly edited for whatever the language or reason, maybe the techs, or moderators, can in the future, E-mail the forum members as to "WHY"the post was edited or not approved. Now, let's all take a deep breath,..... and exhale! It's back to business.
Wolverine. |
Tech808
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 9:40 am: |
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Wolverine,
The Tech's and Moderator's already try and e-mail people when a post is edited or refused.
But, if the person posting does not have an e-mail address in thier Profile or the address listed is no longer in service or they have changed an e-mail address and not changed it in their profile, then it is impossible to let them know the reason.
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Tech808
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:42 am: |
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pig040,
Flybynight, just answered Kattrackers question on Competition Amp's in the "Ask The Tech Section", under "Amplifiers".
Thank You Flybynight, as I have heard of KeyDown contest's but never actually been to one or had any information on them.
You explained it very well and I have again learned somthing new.
Lon
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Pig040
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:58 am: |
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Thanks for the info Lon, I just wondered what had happened to the thread, as it was of interest to me and I was following it. Now I understand how that works.
Pig |
Kc0gxz
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 3:05 pm: |
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Unit199
Well said Harve.
All that was asked was for the tech questions to be posted in their appropriate sections. Amplifiers under amplifiers, radios under radios, antennas under antennas etc, etc. Appearently, some members found that to be a burden on them and not a burden to the moderators.
It was a simple reguest that got a few members upset to the point that they feel they should leave the forum since they can't have it their own way by posting their technical questions where ever they want to.
As you know Harve, the "Open Forum" was suppose to be left opened for just idle chit-chat in general, the exchanging of ideas about radio and even anything not pertaining to radio. Hence, Open Forum.
Many people don't realize the time, expense, and maintenance it takes to keep a forum up and running smoothly. In order to keep it running smoothly, some guidlines have to be in place along with some appreciated cooperation on the part of the forum users. However, it appears that words such as "Please", "Cooperation" and "Appreciate" aren't in the volcabulary of some people.
73s Harve. Sorry I missed your call the other day.
Jeff, kc0gxz. |
Ca346
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 8:22 pm: |
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Hey there Pussycat, yea...ah...yea.. yea.. Is that the way that song went? How would you know? You're probably not old enough.. 
Welcome to the COPPER Forum (You too ChickenLady). Hope you guys get a CEF # (Free membership on the left of the screen) and get onto 27.115LSB. We need some "balance". I can't seem to hear anyone on that channel. Maybe I'll hear you..
If you are new to this forum, don't take too much seriously for awhile.... |
Czar
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 8:35 pm: |
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Like I have said I know that some wrong,strange stuff is going on by the moderators of this forum, and you can see by the complaints that alot of people think so too.I know of one tech that will not even come back to this forum because of some deleted,edited,post's.It is just too bad it is going this way !!! |
Mojomeister
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:47 pm: |
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What does a "LOT OF PEOPLE" mean?
Let's see 25 member's post above on this topic.
forummembers: over (2000 - 25 = 1975+)
WOW! that is a lot, "BUT" it is a lot who are not posting or complianing.
And out of the 25 around 1/2 of the post's above are NOT complaining.
I read the rules when I joined this forum and have no problems following them. |
Dx431
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:15 am: |
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Barefoot: the forum is not fun anymore.Myself and others have backed off or gone elsewhere.
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Forummaster:
Barefoot,
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Hmmmmmmmm........seems to me we do have a problem......
Instead of saying "don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out" we should be listening to these people and working with them and try to keep them as memebers, not chase them away.....
just my thoughts.......
431 |
Unit199
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 4:42 am: |
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DX431, This is starting to get rdiculous. If ppeople are already going somewhere else, what are they doing here except to try and keep it stirred up. Just my opinion, but if people like the other forums, then maybe they should go there along with **** and stop trying to cause trouble here amongst the members. Or maybe those guys create problems on the other forums and they don't want them there and that's why they keep coming back here. Unit199
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Tech808
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 8:40 am: |
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Enough!
Come on people, a person made a comment about about not choosing to post, and why he felt that way and then all of a sudden serveral more are jumping in and bringing up everything under the sun to complain about and making repeated post's about the same thing over and over.
I find it amazing the with all these problems that very few people are saying they have, that no one has written to the Forummaster or one of the Techs or Moderators with these problems or concern's.
The Forummaster's and the Techs and Moderator's e-mail addresses are listed in our profile's.
If someone has a problem and they do not write to us and let us know then there is nothing we can do to resolve it.
The Forummaster does not play games.
If he makes a post then you can rest assured that the post is "EXACTLY" what he means to say and nothing more.
Please do not try and read other things, or hidden meaning's into it. |
Barefoot
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 9:05 am: |
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Unit 199
I think you missed the point!!!!!!!!!! |
ryan
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:09 pm: |
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i think everyone here needs to turn on their radio and use it. at least over the air free speech (no matter how distorted) still is the rule of the day. as for an alternate CEF frequency, i might join up as a cef on air member if the channel was chosen better. i usually tend to stay outside of the 40 channels in general anyways when im on ssb because i hate that AM howl that always comes in. its pretty bad on 38 and its 50x worse on 13.
now ive backed off the forum a bit recently myself. it got some good info, but lacks in the area of tomfoolery and shenanigans. thats what makes open online forums fun. take the www.frn.net (free radio network) forum for example, real troublemakers with malicious intent get banned, yet the forum still remains a chaotic zoo. filled with people that are involved with HF listening/pirate broadcasting, LPFM, and other things and frankly a lot of us there arent right upstairs somewhere which makes the place pure comedy while still having some useful technical info. you can learn a lot from those crazy pirate radio types that you wont see here. the f00kin slohb net, a creation of the folks of the frn, does now have an alternate frequency to 6295khz. you can now hear it at times on 26.420mhz in ssb if the canadian eskimos arent coming in. its a truly free on air net due to the fact you can play music in a pirate broadcast, talk about "adult" subjects, and bascially do what you want on the freq. |
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