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Bigbob
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 9:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Name the model,the watts out,pill number if possible and gauge of power wires used.Up to 15 amps 14 gauge,20 amps 12 gauge,30 amps 10 gauge,40 amps 8 gauge;I have found a very short lead of 4" 10 gauge will work in a pinch for 40 amps in,I am just curious if other amp manufacturers skimp in this area,by changing out the 14 gauge and installing 10 gauge I picked up 100 more watts both am and ssb on my boomer 400,2.5 watts in d.k.235 watts out,535 avg. watts on ssb,so was it worth it or not?What is the db gain of 535 over 25?Bigbob
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Tech808
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 7:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amplifier Size & Recommended Wire to Use.

20 Watts - 100 Watts Use #14 - #12 Gauge Wire

100 Watts - 250 Watts Use #12 - #10 Gauge Wire

250 Watts - 350 Watts Use #10 - #8 Gauge Wire

400 Watts - 500 Watts Use #8 - #6 Gauge WIre

500 Watts - 650 Watts Use #6 - #4 Gauge Wire

650 Watts - 1000 Watts Use #4 - #2 Gauge Wire


This is the Chart I made up many years ago and have used with No Problem's.

Lon
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Bigbob
Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 6:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lon how do you solder #2 wire on the circuit board,it's a half inch thick?And can you use stock strain relief?
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Hoskinmage
Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i know this is a dumb question but here it goes,could someone tell me what a pill is?is it the name on the box or is it the real watts that it does? like my box is a black cat 300,is this a 3pill or is it the wattage it realy does, like its 275 on my meter.i have been out for a while.
im sorry
crybaby(hoskinmage)
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Tech808
Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 6:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bigbob,

What I do with the Larger AMP's and Wires is to Drill & Bolt Flat Blade Connector to board then add end to Wire and Crimp & Solder end on.
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Tech808
Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 7:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hoskinmage,

Will try and explain this the easy way for everyone.

Pill refer's to the Transistor's Used in the Amplifier or Radio.

Galaxy 959 Mobile has one 1-2SC1969 Final / Pill for Power. ie: SINGLE FINAL RADIO

The Omega Force S-45 Mobile has 2-SC1969 Finals / Pills for Power. ie: DUAL FINAL RADIO = More Power!

Example's

The Texas Star Modulator EX Plus Amp uses "1-Pill" a 2SC2290 = 1 - Pill Amplifier

The Texas Star EX 250 Amp uses "2 - Pills" 2-SC2290's = 2 Pill Amplifier

The Texas Star EX 500 uses "4 - pills" 4-SC2879's = 4 Pill Amplifier

The EX 667 uses 1 - 2SC2290 driving the 4 -2SC2879's = 1 Pill Diving 4 Pills

The Texas Star EX1600 uses 8 - 2SC2879's = 8 Pill Amplifier.

Hope this helps.

Lon
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Tech8541
Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 9:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the term 'pill' comes from the fact that these trans in the amps look like large, round, white, 'pills'. this description also makes it easy to find these transistors in amps.
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Tech8541
Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bigbob,
the db gain from 25w to 535w is a little more than 13db.
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Hoskinmage
Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 8:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thank you so much ive been wondering for awhile about it.
also i want to take the time to say thank you to the techs and the people at copper. they have taken the time to answer my questions and that is the reason i order from copper. i know that the people on the list has also been a big help.iv seen some questions that i always wanted to find out the answer to and now i know more then i did. ill always chose copper over the others.
sorry a bit long
thanks for the info.
hoskinmage(crybaby)
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Tech671
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 4:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

>>how do you solder #2 wire on the circuit board,it's a half inch thick?And can you use stock strain relief?<<

Typically wires from a 600-1kw amp are very short and suffincient to carry the load for that distance. You connect the larger wire such as 4 or 2ga with a distribution block or industrial forklift disconnects for most efficient and safest power transfer.