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Hawk1
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 11:03 am: | 
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i heard u p s are using feeband channel....does anyone know which one..hk |
Bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 4:26 pm: |
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call the FCC they will tell you ....UPS just got busted |
Boxcar
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 7:31 pm: |
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Busted for what Bruce?  |
Mr_Rf
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 8:01 pm: |
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The scoop http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/02/02/101/?nc=1
Some other interesting reading http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-240989A1.html
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Radiodude
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 9:40 pm: |
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OW are they going to come and take my 2995DX away??? |
Rattlesnakejake
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 10:20 pm: |
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shh!!! dont say it out lound radioman!! lol |
Crafter
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 10:58 pm: |
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Yep I see them sneaking up behind ya, look out! |
Bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 4:14 am: |
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You have a right to remain .......he he he |
Tech181
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 11:12 am: |
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How come the FCC doesn't go after Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, Alinco, JRC, etc? Everyone one of those manufacturers markets radios in the U.S. with an FCC certification and most, if not all, of those radios can be modified as well.
All these so called "legal" radios are no different (modification wise) as the evil export radios. The 10 meter stuff talks on CB, the 2 meter stuff talks on VHF police, and the 440 stuff talks all the way up to 470 MHz. And they're all perfectly legal with the FCC's stamp of approval.
I guess we know why the telecommunications industry is the 2nd largest contributor of soft money to political campaigns. Perhaps Ranger and Galaxy need to start ponying up some "protection money" as well.
I sent a letter to the FCC about this very subject, and have been waiting for a response for two years. |
Hawk1
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:49 am: |
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i guess thier after the exports is because thats where the cash is..hk |
Bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:59 am: |
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Hawk its mostly the fact some places have riped off people for years......and the people complained to the FCC ...... Other places dont cause them trouble ..... as for UPS Illeagal 10 meter users are a priorty and UPS simply got caught ...... its a no brainer if you go above 28.00 your asking to get caught. |
Kg4ryt
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 1:09 pm: |
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They were busted for ten meter operation. That means they were operating above 28.000Mhz. Sad when people do not know any better or just don't care. |
Rover
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 1:20 pm: |
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The key is FCC approval. If you notice in the ham
mags, anytime Icom, Kenwood, et al, advertises a
new rig for sale for the first time, you'll see
that there will be a disclaimer in the ad "Subject to FCC Approval", or "Not Yet approved for sale". On the FCC website, there is
a list (tho it is a booger to find) of so-called
"10 Meter" radios that do NOT have that approval,
and thus, no sticker seen on the back of the radio with an approval/certification #.
The reality of the situation is that these radios are being marketed to CBers with "channel"
markets and "bands" of frequencies. It makes the
unknowing, non-technical people think they have all these "extree" channels; the savvy people know that there are 40 channels. Period. Every modern radio I have seen does not require several
"bands" of 'channels' to cover one band. The 10 Meter band is 28.000 to 29.700 MHZ. All other radios have one switch position to cover one band. But we all KNOW the REAL purpose of these
radios (wink wink), and it is not to sell to hams
tho that is OK. It is to allow a CBer to have higher power and them thar "extree" channels, and
nobody is being fooled by the ruse. Also few hams
buy these radios. After all, why pay $400 or so for a single band radio when a ham can buy a brand new rig that will cover 160 Meters (1.8 mhz) all the way up to 70 cm (440 MHZ), receive
continuously thru ALL that including public service bands and scan as well? All for $200 more
during hamfest promotions. They don't!!
What has caused the emphasis on 10 Meters is the
intrusion of non-licensed operators, particularly
truck drivers. Had the folks just bought the export radios and used them on the 40 channels, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. But NOOOOOOOOOO!~ They gotta have their pie and everybody else's, too! Last April, FCC asked the
hams to act as unofficial "monitors" in order to
protect the Amateur Service from incursions. This was in response to the hams begging for enforcement, not only against outsiders, but against their own renegades who were bringing shame and embarrassment to the Service. Call it
"snitching" call them "rats"--they don't care. They are just riding fences, as it were, to keep others' cows out of their own pastures. Unlicensed intruders are NOT welcome, and will not be tolerated. That is how UPS came to promise that their drivers would be prohibited from using "export" radios that allow for operating on illegal frequencies. Other companies have done the same thing. The ham monitors ride the roads, not just to "catch" drivers, but in the course of their nornal travels. They just "happen" (wink wink) to be listening on the 10 Meter band when a driver transmits.
It is real and the authorities mean to stop it! Just stay OUT of 10 and 12 Meters (or any other band you are not licensed for) and you will never
hear a word.
73 |
Sarge
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 5:49 pm: |
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The Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, Alinco, etc. radios are all perfectly legal and designed to operate in the Amateur Radio Service. It is only when someone has modified these radios and operates them out of the ham band that they become illegal.
The "export radios" are a unique situation because they are not legal ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD! There is no radio service in any country where they can be legally used. The United States is the most liberal country when it comes to allowing its citizens access to 2-way radios that do not require a license. But even then, the CB band is limited to only 40-channels. Because of the lack of a legal use, the FCC targets the export radios. They also target anyone who uses a ham radio out of band as well.
Because straight out of the box the export radios operate on frequencies outside of the ham bands, they are not even legal as a commercially manufactured Amateur Radio device. All the big ham radio manufacturers make sure their equipment meets Part 97 requirements. They have no control over the equipment once it is in private hands. But at least straight out of the box they will only transmit on the ham bands, which is why they are certified (type accepted) for Part 97. |
Tech181
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:38 pm: |
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So what you're saying Sarge, is that as long as the user modifies the radio and it doesn't come "out of the box" with the ability to operate out of band, it's okay to sell in the U.S?
Actually, some of these export radios will NOT transmit on anything but 28-29.7 out of the box.
Let me see if I understand this...
I can buy an illegal Galaxy 88 which will only TX from 28.0-29.7. out of the box. Then I can do this mod to open up extended TX...
Unsolder a small jumper wire on the bottom side of the main board towards the front where it attaches to two pins and also where it attaches to ground.
Or I can buy a legal Alinco DX77 which will only TX on the HF amateur bands out of the box. Then I can do this mod to open up extended TX...
Cut or remove jumper labeled "D". Reset radio per instructions in operator manual.
The difference is?
I do understand that most of the legal ham stuff is designed, and operates a little cleaner than most of the export radios. No argument there. However, the export radios, properly aligned can operate damn near as good as most other radios of the legal variety.
As far as Part 97, I would be willing to bet that some of the legal ham stuff is just as off frequency, generates spurs, and has a receiver front end you could drive a truck through. As a matter of fact I have a radio like that, it's called an Icom IC-2800. |
Sarge
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:18 am: |
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Any commercially manufactured radio sold in the US must be certified (type accepted) by the FCC. That's the rule.
It is a good point that user modification of either a Galaxy 88 or the Alinco DX77 will get you the same end result. However, from the FCC's point of view only the Alinco is certified and can therefore be sold legally. The FCC has no control over what individuals do with the radio once they purchase it. But the FCC does have control over what manufacturers can sell.
It's a Catch-22 situation, but thats how it is. Just another example of your tax dollars at work. |
Cm3885
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 1:29 pm: |
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I think this post belongs in the "CB VS ham and leagal discussion area"....
JMHO. |
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