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Keithinatlanta
Intermediate Member
Username: Keithinatlanta
Post Number: 409
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 7:22 pm: | 
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Hi guys. How come sometimes I can hear skip rolling on 38 LSB but total quiet on 13 LSB, mainly while we are doing Sunday nets. During week, I can hear 38 lsb going crazy, and channel 13 on am or lsb is total quiet. Other channels do the same, but I am just curious as to why it works like that. Thanks.
Keith in Atlanta
CEF 150 |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3833
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 8:43 pm: |
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#1 ~ CONDITIONS / #2 ~ MOTHER NATURE / #3 ~ SUN SPOT CYCLE / #4 ~ LOCATION
Last sunday on the CEF Nets Several said it was Dead Quiet where they were located and yet we were contacting several states all at the same time all day long. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 119
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:54 pm: |
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HI Keith,
Even though 13 SSB seems quiet at times, give a
yell,cause you never know, a CEF member could be on there montoring & not talking...
I get lots of AM skip on 13 here in PA.
JIM/Road_Warrior/CEF 375
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Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 320
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 12:35 pm: |
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Ain't so: channel 38 LSB is like channel 6 AM. just happens that 38 LSB is where all the big beams and megawatt stations hang out, channel 13 is a rarely used channel due to the fact that most rock hauler trucking companies operate on channel 12 and run big stations in the trucks and on their base stations, therefore if you live close to the base stations or the routes that the trucks are running you can't use channel 13 from about 4:00 AM central time Monday until around midnight and sometimes into the middle of the night Saturdays because of the bleed over from channel 12, also channel 14 seems to be a Mexican family channel also running big power, therefore here in my area of south central Oklahoma channel 13 for the most part is useless for running skip during the working week.
73, Carl CEF-357 |
Tech833
Member
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 2:00 pm: |
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Check the alignment of your receiver. It may be more sensitive on the upper end of the band. |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 1685
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 2:12 pm: |
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"38 LSB is where all the big beams and megawatt stations hang out"
NOW I KNOW WHERE TO LOOK FOR YANKEE ! ( LOL ) |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 120
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 2:24 pm: |
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When AM skip is rolling here in PA, the skip
is also rolling fairly good on 13 AM.
Yes, other channels often do get more skip, but,
thats what i like about 13.
Not as crowded on AM or SSB. Great for talking
skip when its rolling.
Lately though, mostly only Spanish skip has been
rolling here in the past 2 weeks.
Last Sunday on CEF NETS, i had Spanish skip
rolling on 13 AM, but, still made some good
CEF contacts on 13 SSB...Skip is weird, isn't it.
JIM/Road_Warrior/CEF 375
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Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 321
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 3:50 pm: |
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Tech 833: Nothing wrong with anyone of about 12 radios I have because I run a receive preamp all the time and I get the same bleed over on every one of them, plus that I live less than half a mile west of Interstate 35.
73, Carl CEF-357
Bruce you are correct I live on 38 LSB. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 121
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 8:49 pm: |
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Yankee,
Living less than 1/2 mile from an Interstate
would make things rough with the bleed.
I'm not into SSB skip like you guys. I enjoy
talking AM skip. The Sunday Nets & throughout
the week i montitor 13 AM-SSB at times.
Other than that i don't bother much with SSB.
Yankee & Keith, what # do you go by on 38-SSB???
In case i ever visit your neck of the woods
sometime. I go by 375 Central PA.
JIM/Road_Warrior/CEF 375
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Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 322
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 12:15 am: |
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Road warrior, Every channel except 13 the numbers are 962 South Central Oklahoma, and I have no use for AM, with the exception of channel 13. I'll sometimes check in on the AM net. I've not run AM for about 30 years now and I'm not a CBer. I'm one of those 11 meter sidebanders that are only on the air when the conditions are good.
73, Carl CEF-357 |
Rfmister
New member
Username: Rfmister
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 9:33 am: |
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Well you have alot more stations on 38 than 13. On Sunday mornigns you may have a couple hundred on 13 and there are probably 10,000 or more on 38 at any givin time. More traffic=More contacts. |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3839
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 10:46 am: |
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Rfmister,
WELCOME TO THE COPPER FORUM!
Now you need to join our CEF Radio Group for the WEEKLY SUNDAY NETS we have. 
Lon
Tech808
CEF808 |
Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 323
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 3:28 pm: |
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RFmister, such is not the case on 38 LSB. Most sidebanders pick out the stations they wish to contact. It's not how many stations you can contact, just ones that you have never been in QSO with. The little game of making a lot of contacts was over years ago. an operator may need that town, county or grid number for their log book. Channel 38 LSB is very much like amateur radio. Also a good share of the operators on channel 38 hold an amateur radio license.
73, Carl CEF-357 |
Keithinatlanta
Intermediate Member
Username: Keithinatlanta
Post Number: 411
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 5:01 pm: |
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Guys, I did not make my ? clear. EXAMPLE time: why is it that if one of you and myself hook up on 38 lsb with an A ok signal, then we both will switch to 13 lsb and can not make contact with each other. That is what I am talking about. I realize there are MORE people on 38 lsb than on 13 lsb. But it just seems that conditions are different on lower frequencies than higher frequencies, ( if I said that right). Now see if you can explain it for me. thanks.
Keith |
Rfmister
New member
Username: Rfmister
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 7:00 pm: |
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I dont know where your skip comes from but I have no trouble making contacts on .385 When I make a call I have stations coming back to me. Dosent matter where I am from. Most true"operators" hang out on the upper channels. .475,.555....90% of the guys on .385 will talk to you anytime |
Patzerozero
Intermediate Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 140
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 9:46 pm: |
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i know what you mean keith. i think. my regular ch, 26.835 AM can be totally dead, but skip is rolling on ch26 AM and i can get out there to a regular, tell him i'm going back to .835 and when he shows up his signal is weaker, for a while at least, then either conditions improve or just go away. i couldn't even begin to explain why as i don't have a clue. but i've always noticed it, usually during times of poor skip conditions.
as for you other guys, i get spanish speaking skip on AM on ALL 40 channels, sometimes it's so bad i can't hear even the booming SSb stations. there is a freq on AM in the 26.6 range that is like the spanish speaking ch 6, all signals are over S9 in the red! otherwise it's AM 1-40, can't hear anything other than AM-spanish or zilch on ch 13 on sundays, and ch 38AM also gets too much traffic in spanish to use SSB quite often. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 124
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 9:56 pm: |
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Keith, glad you cleared that up..LOL
All i can say is skip does some strange
un-answered things. Mother Nature could
answer you best, if we could just get her
to join...LOL
RFMister, i know people will talk to me on
38 LSB, or the above SSB channels.
I just enjoy talking AM skip more. Heck, last
night i talked skip on the superbowl (6)...
Doesn't that make me a True Operator!
Of course i won't tell you guys there was
only 2 people on Superbowl from Georgia...LOL
Ok, you all have a great night...
JIM/Road_Warrior/Central PA/CEF 375
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Rfmister
New member
Username: Rfmister
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 9:58 pm: |
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I was talking about the "ham" type operators. They normally dont bother with the stuff that goes on on .385. Sure a few of them hang out there but the majority of the Hams hang out in the freeband. |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3844
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 10:31 pm: |
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Road warrior,
If you made in on the SUPER BOWL good deal.
You were playing with the BIG BOYS with their TOYS, heck I heard they even use a 1000 WATT MODULATOR just to key their AMPS. 
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Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 125
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 11:01 pm: |
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RFMister,
Don't know much about Ham, maybe someday i
will get involved. The True Operator thing
didn't bother me... LOL...
You all have a great night.
RFMister, hope you join our CEF radio group we
have on Sundays, maybe we will connect up
sometime.
JIM/Road_Warrior/Central PA/CEF 375 |
Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 325
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 12:41 pm: |
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Lon, You opened yourself up wide open on your question of "What is a true operator"? Eventhough I know the answer, I'm not touching this one. Because just about every time I talk about this subject someone will slam me like I don't know what I'm talking about after almost 42 years on the air and around 32 of those years running just sideband and not talking local, Of course where I live in a small town all the locals are mobile and on AM. And AM is history for this operator.
73, Carl CEF-357 |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 127
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 8:18 pm: |
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Come on Yankee give us your answer on what is a True Operator.
I needs to know if i is one or not...LOL
JIM/Road_Warrior/Central Pa/CEF 375 |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3862
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 8:44 pm: |
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Forum Members
I was just JOKING We really do not need a history lesson on what people think a a true OPERATOR is as eveyone has a 100% complete different idea.
I have deleted my Post as it had NOTHING to do with the TOPIC that was Posted.
I apologize.
Lon
Tech808 |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3863
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 8:56 pm: |
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Keith,
Different story here as when someone says the skip is on 38 it is always 100% better on 13 for us.
Sunday afternoon 2 pm others were saying 38 was hopping and we had nothing and I stayed on 13 and had Bop p and mdiver in CA, came blasting 20 over while 38 there was very little traffic we could hear.
Depends a lot on conditions and where you are located in the US and how the skip conditions are running.
This time I stayed 100% on the TOPIC of your question!
Lon
Tech808 |
Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 326
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:24 pm: |
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Lon, you didn't tell the whole story, That White Lightning beam makes all the difference in the world,
73, Carl CEF-357 |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3865
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:47 pm: |
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I did not mention Antennas because Keith did not ask about antennas.
But it makes no difference if I am on the IMAX or the Beams or mobile it is the same.
Conditons, Location, Sun Spot Cycle, Solor Flares Mother Nature all make the difference. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 130
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 12:23 am: |
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Lon, I have a friend that lives 3-4 miles
from me. Sometimes he recieves different skip
then i do.
I think your list of reasons in your posts
to why this happens are 100% correct.
And I also apologize for getting off subject...
JIM/CENTRAL PA/CEF 375
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Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 327
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 12:28 am: |
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I give up. Lon, that beam is the difference, always was always will be.
Carl |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 213
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:16 pm: |
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Well Keith.
After paying more attention & talking more on
SSB, i see what you mean./ During the Sunday
Cef Nets there's all kinds of DX on 38 LSB, but,
little or none on 13 SSB./ When skips been rolling
here where i live in PA, its usually best in
the evening hours./ Mostly Spanish skip in the day for the past 9 weeks./ So, i've been counting
more & more on 38 LSB to talk any skip in the day.
JIM/CENTRAL PA/CEF 375 |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 587
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 9:20 am: |
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Keith, I have better luck on 38 than on 13 also. Guess its just where you are. I was the same in NM as it is here. (in tenn). Of course I have only been mobile here so far, hope to get the KW on line today. |
Coyote
Junior Member
Username: Coyote
Post Number: 29
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 12:06 pm: |
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Hey Pig, where ya at in tenn?? |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 220
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 10:46 pm: |
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You got to remember, 38 LSB is used by alot
of people all over the USA & abroad./ So,
theres is alot better chance of hearing someone
& talking DX./Some of us are just in better
condition locations than others./
JIM/CENTRAL PA/CEF 375 |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 592
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 1:25 pm: |
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20 Miles East of Paris, Tenn. |
Gage
Intermediate Member
Username: Gage
Post Number: 114
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 2:05 pm: |
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Pig040 (Rich)
How are you doing?Is your e-mail still the same if so I'll send you a e-mail.
Gage |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 595
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 11:18 am: |
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Same e-mail, will be happy to hear from you.
Rich |
Crafter
Senior Member
Username: Crafter
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 1:39 pm: |
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Good to see ya Pig. All well out west so far have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! John. |
Airplane1
Intermediate Member
Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 244
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 6:11 pm: |
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RW,
The same here in my part of PA. Spanish alot during day but saturday mornings on 38LSB I been getting euro DX from France to Ireland.
Sun nets 13 and 13 LSB are all spanish or dead.
airplane1/CEF349 |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 598
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 3:23 pm: |
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Thanks Crafter, the same to you and yours, hope to talk to you on the air soon.
Rich |
Tech8541
Moderator
Username: Tech8541
Post Number: 244
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 8:41 pm: |
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here is something to think about guys when using the 'export' radios for ssb work on ch 13. many to most of these radios use a 13.560mhz xtal for the downloop mixer oscillator. the 2nd harmonic of this xtal is 27.120mhz which is right between ch's 13(27.115) and 14(27.125), and can be heard on both ch's. this will restrict you from hearing low level/distant ch's. not tyring to keep anyone from using it, but giving a reason why you may not hear much activity here. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 225
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:30 pm: |
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Thanks for the info Tech8541...
JIM/CENTRAL PA/ CEF 375 |
Keithinatlanta
Intermediate Member
Username: Keithinatlanta
Post Number: 446
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 9:56 am: |
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Hey everybody, PIG040 is in Paris, TN. Yall know where that is? Right down the road from Music City USA, Nashville, Tennessee! That is home of the Grand Ole Opry. So Rich, I expect to hear some of your adventures on which stars you will meet up with. Ha!
Keith in Atlanta |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 600
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 4:19 pm: |
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Hey Keith,
Hank Williams jr lives about a mile from me, and Kid Rock, and Pam Anderson were visiting him, and they all stopped in a diner just down the road! Chuck norris has a house down here too. Vut the best thing is 3.4 miles from the boat dock, haha.
Rich |
Coyote
Junior Member
Username: Coyote
Post Number: 37
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 4:43 pm: |
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Keith, I lived in Nashville for 37 years and really never saw any stars. Maybe because I didnt go looking for them. I moved from there 5 years ago because of the influx of imigrants taking it over and moved 50 miles away to the east to be in the hills and have some breathing room. I still work in Nashville and if it weren't for 16 years on the same job and the benefits, i'd quit in a minute and never go back to Nashville, except to visit my parents which still live in same house I grew up in. Nashville to me is not all that, especially since i dont care for the country scene. BUT, they do have some very good local rock and blues bands that perform in a variety of venues. So Pig, if you decide to go to Nashville and are into country, you'll enjoy yourself. If you like rock or blues, just visit the 2nd ave district, walk the streets, and when you hear something you like pouring into the street from one of the many establishments, some of which are in basements, just walk right in, grab a seat, and be prepared for some excellent entertainment.
Northern born but southern raised, by the grace of God.
CEF443 |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 601
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 9:22 am: |
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Thanks for the tip, Coyote, I may sometime get there, but I live about 97 miles west of nashville, and really dislike crowds, that is one of the reasons I fled the Cleve Ohio area, just too many people! It is kind of neat that they are gonna have a guitar drop in Nashville on NYeave instead of a ball like new york
Rich |
Coyote
Junior Member
Username: Coyote
Post Number: 40
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 2:10 pm: |
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Rich, WELCOME to Tennessee! I didn't even know about the guitar drop. Shows how much I keep up with whats happening in Nashvegas. Does sound like a cool thing tho. And I know exactly what you mean by "crowds", same reason we left there. BUT, you need to go at least one time to check it out. Hard Rock Cafe', the new B. B. King Blues Bar, Wild Horse Saloon, the new Coyote Ugly Bar  , the famous Tootsies Orchid Lounge (where Hank Williams SR. got his start, (be sure to check out the alley behind it where he releaved himself between sets at the Ryman), plus all the great food venues in the area, and a bunch of other places I cant remember. Oh, and next spring if you get the chance, travel a little ways from you to McEwen Tn. for the annual BBQ festival, LOTS of great BBQ fresh off the hog cooking on open pits. I could go on and on about all the places you should go, the MANY state parks (most of the cool ones are out my way tho) lol and of course all the great fishing available in Tn as you have already probably found out. I "used" to be an avid fisherman and have fished this entire state and will again when my little one gets a little older and I can take him. Enjoy your stay and I hope its a long and prosperous one. Hope to catch you on the air waves one day.
CEF443, The Tennessee Coyote
Stu |
Bob_newhouser
New member
Username: Bob_newhouser
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 11:34 am: |
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i think that keithinatlanta's question is quite simple to answer. 38 has been a sideband channel for a long time and has the reputation as a gathering place for people wanting to shoot skip. 13 is not. perhaps that is the reason you will hear more people on 38 over 13. 13 is more of an am channel. |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 602
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 1:36 pm: |
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Thanks Coyote, I might ask you questions from time to time.
Rich |
Coyote
Junior Member
Username: Coyote
Post Number: 43
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 3:27 pm: |
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Rich, feel free to ask anything you want to know about the area. Lived here since I was 3 and I dont think theres to many places I haven't been in the state. Email me if you need or want to, it's listed in my profile. Have a Merry Christmas and enjoy the snow you got your way, we didn't get much over here. Just enough to have a semi-white Christmas, which we don't get many of in this state.
CEF443
Stu |
Redwolf972
Junior Member
Username: Redwolf972
Post Number: 21
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2004 - 12:34 pm: |
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#1 38 lsb is the main dx shooting channel on all the 40 channels #2 13 lsb is an AM channel nobody want side band way down there sideband is for 35 and up |
Tedison
Junior Member
Username: Tedison
Post Number: 20
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 10:50 am: |
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And to add, it was nice to talk to Airplane 1 this past weekend on 38lsb:-)
I typically operate on 37-39lsb, 26 am and listen in on 555usb and 755lsb with my rinky-dink mobile.
Roger, nice qso, look forward to doing it again sometime:-)
Don
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