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Airplane1
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 7:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just wanted to see if anyone on the forum knows what plane is in the lower left when I make posts?
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Sonny
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

p-41 flying tiger
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 7:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dont know anything about planes, but i'll guess a P38 ?
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Keithinatlanta
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Airplane1, when I was a kid, I used to put together model airplanes all the time, and hang them from the celing in my room. Both the by planes, propellar planes, etc, jet fighters, planes that were on aircraft carriers. It looks familiar, but since that was forty plus years ago, I give up. I know this: I loved putting those models together, especially the ones with propellars cause I would take a fan and aim it up in the air and the plane would move back and forth and the propellars would turn like crazy!

Keith
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Karatebutcher
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 8:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I heard your wife put a stop to it.
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 8:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Airplane1,
I would have to say it's a P-51d Mustang. Am I close?
See ya,
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Racer_x
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 9:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not much of an airfan, but it looks like a P51 Mustang to me.
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

a north american p51 D or later Mustang
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Jasper
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 9:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey AIRPLANE1
THAT LOOKS LIKE A p-51 Mustang.

JP
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Carls86fiero
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

to me it looks like a model plane....LOL
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know a darn thing about planes except how to build model planes and blow em up with firecrackers.Was fun when I was a kid.I do know that a P38 is the American version of a German Luger,the Walther P38 to be exact.But anyhow,back to planes,it's a "Prop Plane" yea thats it!!!
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yup.. looks like a P-51 to me too.
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It looks like a P-51D prior to the addition of the dorsal fin.
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Steuart
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 5:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

P-51D for sure.....
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Airplane1
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 7:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea it`s a North American P-51 D mustang pre dorsal fin, They added the dorsal fin cause when they converted it to bubble canopy the loss of side area made it less directional stable. they added the dorsal fin to correct this problem.

The Mustang is my favorite plane, It was the best
allied fighter of WW2 and had a top speed of 437 MPH.Some argue that it was the best fighter of the time.

I go to Reading, PA airport every early summer for a WW2 weekend where they show and fly the old WW2 fighters and bombers + lots of reactments on the ground with WW2 allied and axis tanks jeeps and lots of other equipment.People dress up like the 1944 era and you think your back in time. they have guest speakers who faught then. Here is a link if you want to see more
http://www.maam.org/maamwwii.html

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Karatebutcher
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 8:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We did not have model planes back then, we use to stack rocks
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 9:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It looks like a P51B, without the full bubble canopy!
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Karatebutcher
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 9:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the next camp over the hill I always smelled fried Catfish and someone saying WELL COPPER THAT, but there were no sources of water, and she wore black and white skins
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Keithinatlanta
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 9:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And I thought I was old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keith
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Airplane1
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I`m not that old,I just like the WW2 stuff!
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Racer_x
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 3:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard about the WW2 weekend, but I've never gone to any. I have been to air shows in Reading to see the Blue Angels though. I saw one of the very first public fly-bys of the stealth bomber back in the mid 90's. It was awesome. I haven't been there since the Blue Angels changed planes. I'll have to go again soon.
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Tech291
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 5:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Racer_X,
never miss the chance to attend a vintage airshow.
There is nothing else like the sound of a p-51 roaring past with its Rolls Royce Merlin v-12 spinning a 12'-4 bladed prop.one interesting trivia tidbit of P-51 history is that Chuck Yeager(who still OWNS a P-51)during WW-IIwas the first fighter pilot in a prop plane to shoot down a jet fighter!
glamorus glennis

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Keithinatlanta
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 5:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not you airplane1, KB.

KEith
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Racer_x
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 6:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cool trivia. I can see how that would happen though, I watched a lot of Wings on the Discovery Channel and the first jets were poor at best. A good propeller plane was nearly as fast and generally more maneuverable due to the air wash from the propellers over the control surfaces.

Another bit of trivia - One of John Glenn's wingmen in the Korean War was Ted Williams.

I've seen P-51s fly at air shows and they sound cool compared to rotary piston propeller planes.
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Rover
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

www.palletmastersworkshop.com/flipside.html.


Here is a good link to pilots and other heros of WWII. How many of today's "hollywonk" types would join up for a war today? Not many, I'm afraid. Interesting just who DID fight in WWII!

My favorite? James Stewart (Strategic Air Command)! Flew B24s, served as flight instructor and Executive Officer for Bomb Group. Remained in USAF Reserves until 1968 attaining the rank of Brig Gen. Command Pilot, flew B52 raids in Viet Nam, volunteering for call-up. I have his autograph! Saw in person a couple of times. Big movie star in his day.

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Airplane1
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe the jet he shot down was a ME 262. I was at the Reading air show for one of the first stealth fighter fly-bys too.Great pic Dennis, I think the sound of the mustang flying past at high speed is the best sound ever. this year i`m hopeing to ride on a B17. Soon Reading will have the only flying P-61 Black widow in the world.

Oh yea, I got a contact with a man on a CB in a light plane flying over my house and landing at a small grass field about 15 miles from me, it was neat, never thought they would be in a plane.

AP
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Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 3:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

he...he...he...

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Karatebutcher
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Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 9:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

THOSE ARE NICE
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Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Airplane 1,

Is that P-61 in the same group that has the B-25 that was named "Briefing Time"? Guy named "Russ" used to fly it. Anyway, "Briefing Time" turned out to be a fake as the real "BT" was lost in Italy (or so I'm told). I know that a museum in PA had gone to great lengths to get that P-61 off a mountain, bring it back and restore it. If it is the one I am thinking of, it has been in restoration for almost 10 years. I can't wait to see it. The P-61 was called the "Black Widow" because it was designed to be a night fighter--kinda like a WWII version of our modern-day stealth fighter. Or something like that!

AH HA! I just remembered the name of the museum I was trying to think of.......Mid Atlantic Air Museum. Or it used to be.


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Airplane1
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Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 6:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rover, you are correct on the P-61 and the museum,
and yeap, they do have the B-25 called Briefing Time.
Dogfacedsoldier, Those are nice pics, I like the Mustang because it was so advanced for its time and it was so modern looking in the 40s and I think it looks like it belongs in this day and age too. You know when the mustang was built it was for the British, when they got it the had the idea to put the Spitfire engine in it and when it was complete the true quality of the mustang was reached. the rest is history.

When I get my digital back from my son I will post a pic of the P-61 Black Widow.

AP
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Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 7:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The first P-51s' rolled out with Allison engines instead of the Merlins.It was the British that requested the upgrade to Rolls Royce with the introduction of the b series.With a total wartime production totaling 14,857 P-51's produced,less than 300 still exist with only 145 still in flying condition.The mustang set lots of records for its' time including from proposal till the first one rolled off a new asembly line only totalled 120 days!Has anyone heard the story of the warbirds that were buried under 120 feet of ice in Greenland?

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Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 7:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

also another Mustang of note is the F-82 Twin Mustang!the replacement for the P-61 Night Fighter
F-82

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Mrhappy
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Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 1:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

(USA2112) Lockheed P-38 Lightning, 9200 produced starting in March 1942.
Clearly not this plane above, but their is such animal.
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Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 3:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mrhappy,
my stats show a few more.10,037 of the P-38J series were built with only 7 left airworthy.There is one being totally restored by a group in Texas that was excavated from the Greenland icepack I mentioned in an earlier post.That is an amazing story in itself with a sad chapter to vintage aircraft fans.
P-38J

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Airplane1
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Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 4:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea Dennis, the squadren that was lost there in Greenland that was found they gave the name Ghost Squadern and there is a web site all about the recovery. there were P-38s but I forget how many and a B-17 lost when they were ferrying them to England, the crew was saved.

Oh, the trin mustang is not a true mustang at all, it was just called that because it looks like two mustangs put together. I has much larger fuselages than the mustang and was totally redesigned.


They got one of the P-38s recoverd from the ice and it since has been restored and flew, I got to see a video of the first flight of this plane and I believe it is a rare example of the P-38.

I anyone wants more info just type ghost squadern in a search engine on your browser and you will find alot of info about it.
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Airplane1
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Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 4:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry, I just remembered, it was called the lost squadron, type that in the search and you will find it.
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Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 4:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry, the name of the planes are lost squadron not ghost squadron. MY BAD!
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Cars and airplanes------------that gets me going as much as radios. I flew a few hours back in the day, but mostly Cessna and a couple light twins, tho I never became multi-engine rated. Heck, I barely qualified at all in a Cessna. I am just a pore ole country boy, and I simply couldn't fly "just" for fun. In 1970, pilots were a dime a dozen due to the GI Bill, and you couldn't get a job instructing there were so many pilots around.
Would you believe that when I soloed in June, '70, a Cessna 150 was $8 per hour "WET"? Hard to believe........and I thought 8 bucks was high for me. But fly I did as much as I could----until it just became impossible to support my habit. Got lots of hours in a J-3. That was a lot of fun! Couple of kids, really, 19-21 years old, gas was cheap, and we were in the air almost daily in that Cub, putt-puttering around the sky.
Friend of mine, was rated in the J-3 and he got me
checked out in the old tail dragger. Went out one day, and he was checking my coordination by having me do Dutch rolls on a point. Man! I was all over the sky! Couldn't even fly a 85 hp Cub!
He was scolding me--asking WHASSA MATTER, CANCHA FLY a measy l'il Piper? Until I CAUGHT him! The bugger was reaching and pulling on my aileron control cables behind me where I couldn't see 'im!
Sorry rascal! I wanted to "whup" him for that, but it was good for a laugh.

These days, while my head is still in the clouds, I have to be satisfied with Microsoft 2002. Medical is gone--don't think I can get it back. But at least I can afford to 'fly' a little--even if it is pretend. Never run out of fuel, don't have to do a weight and balance, just plot a course and "fly" cross-country. When I got this game, I was surprised at how much I remembered. It was almost like I had landed a 172 yesterday! You never really forget how to fly, you just have to get back into the groove with practice. Seems to come back to you pretty quick. Sure, it is just a game, but it is better than nothing at all!
But there are my friends with whom I still hang around at the airport on sunny Sunday afternoons and they sometimes let me fly right seat. Works out OK.
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Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the plane from greenland is know as glaicer girl now
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Airplane1
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 8:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea, thats it, Glaicer girl. She flew I believe in 2002. Could be wrong.

I have a 1946 Aeronca Chief in pieces in my garage that I was restoring but just getting to expensive for me, I am giving it to my son so he can restore it and fly someday.

AP
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Don't forget the P-47 Thunderbolts. The Mustang replaced them to become the new long range escort fighters and the P-47's and P-38's changed roles to become tactical short range bomber/attack aircraft. I have always had a fascination with the aircraft of that era. WWII produced some of the finest ones ever made, in my opinion anyway. Check this out

http://www.cradleofaviation.org/history/aircraft/p-47/1.html

Of course my favorite was always the RAF Spitfires, don't know why, but I always loved the looks of it.
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thunderbolt is a great plane too, like you said, planes of ww2 are some if not the best prop planes ever.

I like the Hawker Tempest and typhoon from the British and the FW-190 and Arrow from the germans.

AP
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And don't forget the Curtis P-40 Tomahawk. One of the coolest looking, because of the row of teeth of course. And the Corsair F4U.



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How about the Corsair and the P-40 warhawk
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Well yeah.. the P-40 was designated as the Tomahawk, Warhawk and the Kittyhawk. All of them Curtis P-40's though.
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 6:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you look up the stats for the F4U-1d Corsair you will actually find that it would out turn,out fly and out shoot the P-51.The reason for the gull-wing design in the corsair was for the ground clearence needed by its larger prop.
An oldtimer once told me"Real airplanes have round engines"referring to the Wright-Cyclone like the Corsair used.

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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 6:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The P-40 used the Pratt-Whitney radial engine as well. They could take more abuse and being air cooled there was no risk of a cooling system getting shot full of holes and the engine failing from overheating. If you read the link I posted about the P-40, there is a story around page 6 or 7 where a P-40, its rudder pretty much gone from gunfire, was still able to fly and climb and was still taking 20mm cannon fire and still continued to fly. I was, to say the least, amazed.
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 7:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

F4U-1d Corsair specs:

Manufacturer: Vought
Base model: F4U
Designation: F4U
Version: -1D
Nickname: Corsair
Designation System: U.S. Navy / Marines
Designation Period: 1922-1962
Basic role: Fighter
Modified Mission: Drop tanks
Crew: Pilot


Specifications
Length: 33' 4" 10.1 m
Height: 16' 1" 4.9 m
Wingspan: 41' 12.5 m
Wingarea: 314.0 sq ft 29.1 sq m
Empty Weight: 8,982 lb 4,073 kg
Gross Weight: 14,000 lb 6,349 kg


Propulsion No. of Engines: 1
Powerplant: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-8W
Horsepower (each): 2000


Performance Range: 1,015 miles 1,634 km
Cruise Speed: 182 mph 293 km/h 158 kt
Max Speed: 417 mph 671 km/h 362 kt
Climb: 2,890 ft/min 880 m/min
Ceiling: 36,900 ft 11,247 m

P-51 D Mustang Specs:

Date: 1944
Description: Single-engine straight-wing
Mission: Fighter
Manufacturer: North American Aviation, Inc.
Nation: USA
Engine(s): One 1,490-hp Packard/Rolls-Royce
Merlin V-1650-7 liquid-cooled 12-cylinder V
Versions: P-51A (1943) through P-51H (1945)
Speed: 437 mph (705 km/h) at 25,000 ft. (7,620 m)
Range/Endurance: 1,000 miles (1,613 km) with
two 110-gallon drop tanks
Ceiling: 42,000 ft. (12,800 km)
Armament: 6 machine guns
Crew: 1
Wingspan: 37 ft. (11.28 m)
Length: 32 ft. 3 in. (9.38 m)
Weight: 9,450 lbs. (3,992 kg

I know there was a later version of the Corsair after ww2 that had a true bubble canopy and there was a few mustang versions after the war too that were faster than the planes used in the war, there were spitfires that almost hit the sound barrier. the thunderbolt culd hit sound barrier in a dive but could not get throu and would most times crash from the presure on the flying surfaces.

Dennis, I think the mustang was faster and better than the corsair in ww2 and the expiramental versions after the war but it is one nice looking bird, dont forget the hellcat, that had the most kills in the pacific and the plane that pappy flew. people think he flew the corsair but most always the hellcat. the fastest prop plane today with the record in air raceing is the bearcat but it was too late for ww2 by just a little,it was starting operations but did not see combat.

AP
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Coyote
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 7:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I meant the P-47, what was I thinking?
Must have been the kid disturbing me. The P-40 used a Rolls Royce engine, I think.
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coyote,
hehe,I was gonna call you on that one,P-40 like the Mustang had Allisons and Merlins both,depending on if it was built for the Marines or the Air Corp.
Roger,
I can only quote from stats on record,but at least the Mustang even looks faster!Even though the Corsair was bigger and more ungainley that is what gave it the maneuverability the Mustang could achive at equal speeds.again only what i read.I was saving the Grumman "Cats" for tomorrow
hellcat
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 8:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is the german Dornier 335 Arrow, it was a twin engine with one tractor and one pusher.

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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 8:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tech291, hehe.. glad I got that posted before being called on it. I was just reading about the "Cat" and one they called the "Jug". Not sure what the Jug was, the article never really said, but it sounds similar to the P-47.

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your right,the "Jug" is the P-47.so nicknamed because of the shape of the cowling!
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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice T Bolt!
Spitfire!
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trivia note,the P-47 was the first prop driven plane to intentionally reach sub-sonic speed(in a dive)




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YES! Man, I just don't know what it is about the Spit. Maybe the fact that I read the book The Battle of Britain about 100 times. It's just an awesome looking plane.

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My dream is to ride in a ww2 fifgter, any one of them would make me happy.
The only problem is it costs 1-2 thousand for a ride, little out of my reach!

Just think of the radio room you could set up with that cash!

AP
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Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 7:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is the plane I have in my garage but needing restored.

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Well, Ap1, I came close. I got to ride a couple times in a T6 Texan. Not a fighter, but WWII ;) I was a 17 y/o kid then and didn't even know or appreciate the significance of it. Flew a DC-3 right seat a couple times. Stood "guard" on B25
"Briefing Time" for a couple weeks. It came here and spent a couple weeks on static display. Somebody stole one of the "bombs" off it, but the cops found the two teens that did it. Bombs returned unhurt. Alas, no real WWII fighters, tho.

The T6 was the first time I ever pulled "G's". The pilot suddenly hossed the nose up, dove into a
loop, pulled up over the top and did a snap roll at the apex. WOW! I couldn't pick up my arms off the armrest, and my face was contorted. Heck of a ride. Now a Mustang WOULD be th' bomb!! LOL!
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Rover, I would even take that, the T6 was made by the same comany as the P-51 Mustang (North American). you are lucky, I wish I could fly in a DC-3 or Texan.

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You could send that Aeronca down my way and I would take good care of it! ;) LOL!
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I hate to start another thread, so I'll put it here since it sort of concerns airplanes. Seems there is to be a "keydown" in St. Louis right smack dab on the airport. As a former (sigh) pilot, I sort of object to it because all that RF makes me nervous around sensitive aircraft nav instruments. What if one of those 10,000 (?) watt
trash amps gets into your VOR receiver and you are
IFR, or tryin' to shoot the ILS at St. Louis when someone keys down and throws your instruments off?
(Multiply 27 MHZ x the 4th or 5th harmonic = right SMACK in the aviation band!! :-( May not do anything, but it makes me very nervous. There is a discussion about the "CB Keydown" under "Talk and Opinions" at qrz.com. Much of it is negative, and being a washed-up flyer, well I am not all that happy about it. Why couldn't they have this somewhere besides an airport?

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