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Keithinatlanta
Intermediate Member
Username: Keithinatlanta
Post Number: 306
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 8:18 pm: | 
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Hi guys. I have a new D 104 desk mike, and a new d 104 Super Sideband desk mike. Guess where I got em from, and if you say somewhere besides Copper, you are wrong. The super sideband is for using on SSB obviously. However, for overall performance, which is the better mike? Or did Astatic just do this as a marketing ploy by having a different design for the SSB mike? Thanks.
Keith in Atlanta
CEF 150 |
Hollowpoint445
Intermediate Member
Username: Hollowpoint445
Post Number: 126
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 3:28 am: |
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One is crystal and one is dynamic so they are going to sound different. The crystal will sound a little punchier because it has a better high end responce. The SSB dynamic head will sound more even and more like you sound in person.
Listen for yourself and tell us which sounds better to you. You could also ask someone you trust to listen to both and tell you which they like better and why.
I use another radio and tape myself saying the same thing with both mics so I can listen to the difference for myself. That way you can listen over and over again and really get an idea of the qualities of each. |
Highlander
Advanced Member
Username: Highlander
Post Number: 553
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 8:02 am: |
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Hollowpoint said it well. I use both, but generally use the 10DA head. It does have a warmer, more natural sound, while the crystal head is a little "brighter", punchier, like HP said. Modulation freaks usually like the crystal sound more. (my locals, with a few exceptions, are always harsh and overmodulated, with 20db of background noise, kids, dogs, birds, old-ladies, etc)
I love the Art-Deco appearance of the 10-DA head. When I show the staion to people, they are drawn to that mic! |
Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 12
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 9:51 am: |
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Where cam the 10-DA be pirchased, what is the model name? |
Highlander
Advanced Member
Username: Highlander
Post Number: 556
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 10:47 am: |
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Unfortunately, Astatic discontinued the 10DA. You might find a dealer with some still around, or try EBAY, just watch the rip-offs! |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 6:29 pm: |
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My YEASU uses a md-100D and it sounds great too bad it not made for all radios now MFJ DOES make a mike for MOST radios even has a preamp in it. |
Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 23
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 9:03 pm: |
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Is the sound of the D-1104 compatable to the D-104 or the Super Sideband?
Also, is the appearance the only similarity to the Turner +3? |
Highlander
Advanced Member
Username: Highlander
Post Number: 557
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 7:30 am: |
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The 1104C is ceramic, yet another type of element. It sounds kind of in the middle of the 10DA dynamic and the d104 crystal. Not as smooth as the 10DA, not quite as bright as the d104. It has an adjustable tone, which I have set right in the middle. I'd say the 10DA is closer to the Turner sound than is the 1104c. If you've ever heard the Astatic 575m6 mic, the 1104C is very similar to that. I think they are both great mics, and work particularily well with the Magnum radios. |
Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 9:51 am: |
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I guess Copper can wire one (1104) for my Magnum 257? Tight? |
Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 142
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 2:12 pm: |
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Sorry Crackerjack Astatic no longer makes any desk microphones. My way of thinking, if you own a radio you should know how to wire a microphone for it and know how to do coax connectors. Of course that's just me talking.
Yankee |
Highlander
Advanced Member
Username: Highlander
Post Number: 558
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 2:56 pm: |
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They don't sell the 1104c anymore, it was discontinued aong with all the Astatic desk mics.
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Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 143
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 5:09 pm: |
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Keithinatlanta, If you're speaking of the Silver Salute that looks a little like the Silver Eagle TUP9 D104, this microphone was not made by Astatic and can't even come close to the quality of the Silver Eagle or the Astatic 10DA dynamic head. Astatic microphones have been the art of two way radio. In it's class it is the best there ever was or ever will be, because Astatic microphones are a product of American Workmanship at it's finest. Yes, I have both the Silver Eagle and the 10DA head and I'm very proud of the label the says MADE IN U.S.A.
Yankee |
Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 35
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 6:48 pm: |
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Yankee:
I lost one eye and can't even get my fingers together. So knowing how, and being able to wire things -are not neccessarily a common credit.
I guess I will have to "suck up" my pride, and continue to pay for the service. You think? |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3006
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 7:11 pm: |
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Crackerjack,
I have done a lot of Mic Wiring for Ironmask and other Copper Forum Members who have lost there sight and I have been wiring mics for our Ham Club members for years now that have sight problems and other disabilities.
Many of them know how but due to health problems and other factors not under there control they are no longer able to do the things they once enjoyed doing.
I have been a Life Member of Courage Handi Ham for many years now and Enjoy helping those who are unable to do the things that a lot of us take for granted everyday.
There is No need to suck up any pride. 
That is what is Nice about the radio world, someone is always willing to help when & where they can.
Lon
Tech808 |
Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 40
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 8:28 pm: |
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Lon:
I appreciate it. It is dificult to adjust -Pride included, I will tell you the story sometime.
I was a Naval Special Warfare Officer, then after loosing part of both feet and my left eye, I began the trip into humility.
I upset the doctors when I left the wheelchair, got a jeep and returned to fly fishing -from a walker.
"It ain't pretty" and I keep falling into the white water. ROTFLOL
Thanks. |
Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 146
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 10:16 pm: |
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Crackerjack, Sorry to hear about the eye problem. I'm like Lon I'll help anyone who has a health problem. I know the feeling I've been there. I went thru dual cataract surgery, I was over a year I couldn't drive. Now at 66 years old my eyes are as good as a youngster's.
Yankee CEF-357 |
Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 42
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 8:54 pm: |
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With all the time proven desk mics off the market, what desk mics does Copper sell that are good quality for SSB, and still available?
Which ones, and what are my choices? |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3010
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:12 pm: |
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Crackerjack,
Click on the Link below and you will see all of the Microphones that Copper has to offer.
http://www.copperelectronics.com/cgi-bin/product_display.cgi?categories=MICROPHONES
Lon
Tech808 |
Yankee
Intermediate Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 148
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:31 pm: |
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Crackerjack, From all reports eventhough it's not from Astatic. The Super Star Silver Salute microphone seems to be about as good as it gets for a microphone that can still be bought. Lon has done a full report on this microphone and he and Shirley like them. Have Lon send the report he did on it.
73, Yankee CEF-357 |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3013
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:44 pm: |
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Crakerjack,
Click on the Link Below to read the Review on the SILVER SALUTE BASE MICROPHONE By SUPER STAR.
http://www.copperelectronics.com/cgi-bin/discus4/board-auth.cgi?lm=1035184982&file=/7750/30696.html
Hope this helps.
Lon
Tech808 |
Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 44
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:23 am: |
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Lon:
I read your report a while back. I appreciate the time you took.
Copper has several desk mics at that link you sent that are no longer available. Like the D-1104 and several on the D-104 TUP-9 modles.
I like the Tupper look of some of the others, but don't know what the quality is like on those mics.
I do know this -that on several occasions, I have been able to make contacts and carry on a conversation with good reports and changed the mic from my Silver Eagle to another mic, and could not be heard.
Alas, the economy and medical bills took muy Silver Eagle away.
I have not been happy since and now I can't afford another Eagle. I was hoping that the D-1104 was my answer but I can't find one.
I |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 3015
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:56 am: |
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Crackerjack,
I have an extensive Astatic Collection and have used about every mic out there over the last 30+ years and probably have over 100 mics on hand to choose from.
The #1 Mic I use and Highly Recommend is the SuperStar DM-452 Echo Hand Mic.
While Shirley uses her Silver Salute thru the week when it comes Net Time the DM-452 goes on the radios.
Since I started using it Every Single report I get is LOUD AND CLEAR! even barefoot with 4 watts like last sunday.
With several CEF Members within 35 miles of the House and a lot of Skip talking ALL HAVE CHANGED to the DM-452.
It punches through when other mics do not.
VERY HAPPY / VERY SATISFIED DM-452 Mic Owners:
CEF #156, #159, #165, #166, #180, #207, #255, #317 #322, #808, #164, #136.
While all of us have many other mics to use NONE have constantly given us the results that the DM-452 has on AM or SSB.
It has Excellent Clarity, Sound and Punches through when NONE of my Astatic mics or any of our other mics we have will.
We all run them the same, the Echo BARELY OPEN not even to the 1st Dot and they really talk.
Reasonable in Price and High on Good Quality Studio Sound.
Just my nickels worth.
Lon
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Crackerjack
Junior Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 47
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 1:39 am: |
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That's what I wanted -the nickles worth. Thanks |
