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Gundog
New member
Username: Gundog
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 6:05 pm: | 
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i don't know much about export radios. i have been a key down guy for years and know the ins and outs of cobra 25 uniden 68 and such for the audio and drive they give for amps.i am looking for a radio to talk ssb or dx with a small amp to mess with in the mountains.any help would be great.i am not new to this game,just always did big watts from my suburban. {a.c. boxes}. want something a little more tame for my ride around truck. |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 2107
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:07 am: |
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EXPORT RADIOS ......
Well to say there all bad is not fair but most are. The ranger 100 watt radios are not bad as a freeband set as is Most of the MAGUMN line the VERY GOOD 10-30 watt MAG 257. Most of the others are so-so. |
Diggerodell
Member
Username: Diggerodell
Post Number: 77
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 7:10 pm: |
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try a ranger 2970 dx.............. |
Gundog
New member
Username: Gundog
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:32 pm: |
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what about all this modulator built into the radio? voice compression?40-50 watts with a dual final radio?i would be highly surprized if any of the "barefoot" radios would even put a 25 watt element{slug}near the corner of my or any one elses bird meter. magnum 257... ranger 2970... thanks for the replys off to check these radios out.
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Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 2110
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 10:44 pm: |
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The MAG-257 on FM does 28 on my BIRD into a 50 ohm load and 9 watts into it on AM .... @ 28.360 |
Bc910
Intermediate Member
Username: Bc910
Post Number: 235
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 5:25 pm: |
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gotta go for the Magnum S9 in my oppinion, the M1 doesn't have side band and I like my SSB!
BC |
Gundog
New member
Username: Gundog
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 7:22 pm: |
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the ranger or rci 2950 dx, is it the same as the old 2950? did they just add dx to the name? i looked at the 2970, but to drive an amp i dont need that much carrier. the magnum radios get good reviews but for all the echo and stuff.... i want ample drive and great modulation not hype. if i wanted to sound as if i hang out on 19 i guess i would have a need for that. some of you get this i am sure.... thoughts? |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 2112
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 7:59 pm: |
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the DX is totaly diffrent |
Gundog
New member
Username: Gundog
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 8:23 pm: |
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how different ,good, bad, reciever noisy? how totaly different? |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 2113
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 10:55 pm: |
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The DX is SMT parts while the old one is through the board. The DX's receiver is a bit better but much harded to work on. The DX also covers 12 meters.
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Gundog
New member
Username: Gundog
Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:58 pm: |
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thanks bruce , you seem to know a lot about them. i know people who have them and some who hate them. as with most things. when copper tunes the radio, not for 11 meters but for performance,is modulation clipped,etc... what exactly do they do? thanks |
Bc910
Intermediate Member
Username: Bc910
Post Number: 237
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 12:53 am: |
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AND MY S9 HAS ONE OF THE BEST RECIEVERS I HAVE EVER OWNED, it's not just the echo, Gundog, its the speech processor too, and the reciever, and power output, frequency coverage, user customizable, quality control, looks, stability, TX audio, and well I'm sure there is more but I'm taking up too much space as it is!!!
I love it
too bad i can only afford the 1 right now
BC |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 4581
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 2:00 am: |
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Gundog,
Below is what the Copper Tech does on a tune up and Only on New Radios that are purchased from Copper Electronics and Only at the time of Purchase.
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Forummaster
Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 9:05 am:
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Here are the areas that we align.
• RX (Receive) alignment per manufacturer specifications
• TX (Transmit) alignment per manufacturer specifications
• PLL Synthesizer alignment per manufacturer specifications
Hope this helps,
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN |
Gundog
New member
Username: Gundog
Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 2:50 pm: |
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so no modulation is peaked? are the manufacturer specs going to help audio? i would expect the rest to be aligned anyway.i guess what i am asking is if a radio tuned by copper needs more love than they want to give. manufacturer specs,is it for them covering their rear with ranger if someone sends it back? will they tune for drive and audio? thanks |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 4584
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 4:35 pm: |
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Gundog,
Sorry but it is not to save Copper's Rear but the Customer's Rear who buys the radio.
If the radio is NOT aligned to factory specs then your Factory Warranty can be VOID.
As Far as Ranger they also will only align / tune a radio to Factory Specs.
And ranger is Very, Very picky about VOIDING someone’s warranty for any Modification or altered or removed part or tune up that does not follow factory specs and even lists this point on the ranger website.
When a customer orders a radio from Copper and orders the Peak and Tune or Conversion: the modulation is checked and if needed is adjusted and set to factory specs for 100% optimum performance.
And the customer can be fully assured that the Factory Warranty is 100% Intact covering that radio for the Factory warranty period should any problems arise.
After Copper performs a Peak & Tune or Conversion they place a warranty seal on the radio and your Factory warranty is 100% intact.
If someone decides to break or remove that seal to change adjustments or add modifications, then they are solely responsible for Voiding their own Factory Warranty not Copper.
And if the Warranty Seal that Copper places on it is broken or removed, it will also Void your Copper Warranty should anything happen or go wrong.
It is very easy to understand Copper's Policy on Protecting the Customer and keeping the Factory Warranty Intact.
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN
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Patzerozero
Intermediate Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 352
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 10:47 pm: |
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gundog, i keep my fingers out of AC boxes-don't know enough about 'em to not kill myself. but i do get into some big transistor boxes. anyway, i have an S9, it's an awesome SSB radio with an awesome rcvr. you asked about-"what about allthis modulator built into the radio? voice compression?40-50 watts with a dual final radio?i would be highly surprized if any of the "barefoot" radios would even put a 25 watt element{slug}near the corner of my or any one elses bird meter. magnum 257... ranger 2970... thanks for the replys off to check these radios out."-
well i asked the same questions and a few of the BIG custom builders told me no way-no how. i have, and love my magnum S9, on SSB it works as well with a HD texas star as with a low drive. AM is a different story-for all intents & purposes it's a standard 4 watt radio, and works fine with a low drive amp, davemade m400 being the test mule at this point. now, on the bird it DID NOT do 45 watts pep, in fact it didn't do much more then my grantxl on the rms bird. in fact, the jury is still open as to if the S9 is any better then the grant xl on AM at least. but you did say you were looking for SSB use, and a big time custom builders buddy with us while testing the S9& others with several amps was so impressed with SSB performance, he called me back to get more info on it & said he was probably going to get one for SSB for his base! |
Gundog
New member
Username: Gundog
Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 10:47 pm: |
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thanks patzerozero, thats the audio check i'm talkin about. as i suspected on the a.m. band its hard to beat the simple things .those things being simple like a cobra 25 no frills but great drive and plenty of audio for driver or first stage boxes. i turn up the recieve and replace rf gain knob for varible power. i see 8 watts goig forward with a 25 watt slug .but to fool with ssb while on a overlook i need to branch out.thanks for the input,its the most real i have read yet.great to hear you run d. made.i have all things in gold boxes ,from steel to glass, drivers to house boxes. do keep fingers away from those rf decks, 5300 plate volts is not good for anyone. thanks for the input. peace |
Rfmister
Junior Member
Username: Rfmister
Post Number: 10
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 7:03 pm: |
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You want a SSB radio???? Hands down the Lincoln will out do an S-9 on SSB anyday. Sure the S-9 is a nice radio but it is not designed for SSB....The Lincoln is. Its not too shabby on AM either with a good tune |
Bc910
Intermediate Member
Username: Bc910
Post Number: 248
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 9:25 pm: |
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Actually the reports I get on SSB are NOT BAD at all! Maybe not up to par with a lincoln but close. Besides The Lincoln might have a good tone on AM heck most Presidents do, but it just doesnt come close to the Magnum. And recieve, don't get me started on the reciever...
Any way Rfmister have you owned an S9?
Maybe the two Lincolns and 1 2510 from my past were just odd ones but that is my experience.
BC |
Rfmister
Junior Member
Username: Rfmister
Post Number: 11
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 6:55 pm: |
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Never owned one but I did get to play with a couple of them for a few weeks. The Magnum is a nice radio for what it was designed for....AM. Yes they do scream on AM. The reciever isnt bad but I could hear things with my Lincoln that i couldnt hear with the S-9. My Lincoln has the best reciever I have ever seen....It is DEAD quiet. It has better ears than my Icom. |
Patzerozero
Intermediate Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 372
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 10:39 am: |
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have S9 & hr2510 right now on bench. S9's receiver is quieter, 40 mile distant stations, to the ear, sound 'right here' whereas on 2510 volume is all the way up and i have to really concentrate to hear them, both on AM & SSB. my signal report was that 2510's audio was cleaner, but S9 was louder with stronger signal strength, again both AM & SSB. from my own testing, my personal opinion is that the S9 is a better SSB radio, and AM performance is nearly equal to that of my grant xl. can't locate anybody with a lincoln to try that comparison, 2510 is best i could do. oh, yeah, my magnum delta force was said to have just as good quality audio as the 2510 and may be a bit louder, or as i was told,'delta has a more commanding presence then the 2510. not as loud as S9,though, delta's audio quality is cleaner. S9 sounds as though it's forcing itself upon you'. |
Horst Teschke (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 12:00 pm: |
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I own a S-9 and also a 2510. I find the 2510 is a better base radio as it is easier to read and operate on the base than the mobile. I am absolutly impressed with the receive and the audio of the S-9.The audio is not only good in quantity , but in quality as it is very clear , even turned up. Mobile ease of operation is great. On SSB I have gotten nothing but good reports from people I trust. |
