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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 121
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 5:05 am: | 
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I need to get my antenna up higher and i was thinking about getting one of those EZ Raise tripods.Are they any good? |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 276
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 12:21 pm: |
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If your talking about EZ-up-Tripods, then, yes
they are good./ Or are you talking about telescoping mast???
JIM/CENTRAL PA/CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 124
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 9:02 am: |
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No, just the roof mount tripods. |
1861
Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 59
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 12:51 pm: |
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I USE A RADIO SHACK ROOF TRI POD WITH MY I MAX 2000 , WORKS GREAT |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 125
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 6:03 am: |
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What i'm planing to do is get a couple 10 foot peices of galvanized pipe for the mast and put that with my i-max99 antenna on a 5 foot tripod and mount it on the roof of our garage which is about 15 feet above the ground at the peak of the roof.so the bottem of the antenna should be about 35 feet above the ground so i should be able to get out a lot better.what do you think? |
1861
Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 64
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 10:44 am: |
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IF YOU USE TWO TEN FT. POLES , BE SURE TO GUY WIRE IT REAL GOOD . I HAVE A 10 AND 4 FT. SECTIONS GUY WIRED FOUR WAYS WITH MY IMAX ON TOP OF HOUSE AND HAVE HAD NO PROBLEM . IT GETS REAL WINDY HERE IN THE MOUNTAINS . I WAS WORRIED ABOUT IT WHEN I PUT IT UP , BUT IT HAS BEEN THERE OVER A YEAR NOW - THROUGH SOME HEAVY STORMS , WITH NO PROBLEMS . FEED POINT IS ABOUT 35 FT. |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 128
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 8:41 am: |
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I found a place here in town that has single 20 foot peices of galvanized pipe.Will i still have to use guy wires if i use a single peiece for the mast? |
1861
Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 69
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 2:13 pm: |
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I DEFINATLEY WOULD . ON ANYTHING ON TOP OF MY HOUSE |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 676
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 4:45 pm: |
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As a rule of thumb I guy anything with over 10 feet of mast protruding from the holding fixture, but that is just me.
Rich |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 130
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 5:41 am: |
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Heavy d aka 277 is going to install it for me and he said i didn't need guy wires.oh it's going to be on top of the garage not the house. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 285
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 7:16 am: |
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Pig040,
I do the same here, anything 10 ft or over
above mounting hardware should be guyed...
Yep, YEP...
JIM/CENTRAL PA/CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 133
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 8:20 am: |
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Ok i'll let him know.if anyone has suggestions that could make this installation easier please let me know.Oh and by the way about how much range do you think i'll get after i get the antenna up there and get me a klv-1000 and get it hooked up? |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 288
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 9:46 pm: |
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Range depends on what area of the country
you live in./ Mountains, Flat, ect./
Try to get your antenna at least 36 ft. from
ground to feedpoint/ There are places that
sell 10 ft roof tripods also./ E-mail me if
you need the e-mail address of the company
that sells them./ You should get out pretty
good with your setup./
JIM/CENTRAL PA/CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 139
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 5:07 am: |
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i think a 5 foot tripod is all i'll need.oh and i'm in north central ky about 10 miles south of downtown louisville.i live in one of the highest areas of jefferson county.right now for talking to base stations i can get out about 10-15 miles and about 8-12 miles for mobiles.thats with my antenna 14 feet above the ground at the feed point and my radio puting out about 7 1/2 watts deadkey and it's swinging about 18-20 watts.need any more info? |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 150
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 8:26 am: |
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ok what i've decided to do is get a 15 foot peice of pipe and a 5 foot peice of pipe and guy it at the 15 foot point so only 5 feet of pipe and the antenna are above the guy point.by the way can you tell me what to get i've never guyed any thing before. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 304
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 2:06 pm: |
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You should be able to purchase guy cable
at your local hardware stores./ You will
also need a guy wire ring that slips over
your pipe & this you attach your guy wires to./
(radio shack has them for 1 1/4 pipe./)
You will need some eyebolts to mount into
your house to attach other end of guy wires.
You will need some some clamps to tie off
your guy wires, ask them at the store you
purchase your guy wire, they should be able
to help you./ Be careful not to get your metal
guy wires to close to your Antenna, or
it could become part of the Antenna & throw
things off for you./ Some people place
egg shaped insulators on there metal guy wires.
I THINK metal guy wires should be at least 9
ft away from your antenna./ Yours will be
only 5 ft away, if i read your post correctly.
You may want seek others opinions on how far
the guy wires need to be from the Antenna.
JIM/CENTRAL PA/CEF 375
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 157
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 8:27 am: |
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Thanks Jim, any else have any info i might need? |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 195
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 8:14 am: |
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Ok forget the tripod, it's getting too complacated .I'm just going to get 2 20 foot peices of galvanized pipe and clamp them to the fence like i originaly planned. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 348
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 5:32 pm: |
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Unless you have a structure to mount the
long pipe too, you will still need guy wires.
40 ft of heavy pipe sticking straight up could buckle under its own weight.
You need a building or tree to help support that
much pipe. It would rip your fence posts down.
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 197
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 5:20 am: |
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These are not wooden fence posts there all metal chain link fence posts.And i survaid the properity and guy wires are not an option no matter where i put it. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 351
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 8:28 am: |
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Doesn't matter if there metal, 40 ft of heavy
pipe will probably bend & fall. I've already
had 20 ft of pipe buckle on me. I used real
heavy pipe, 2 10ft sections on my metal
fence posts, they buckled where i joined
them together & crashed to the ground.
Without some kind of structure or guy wires
to keep it up, it won't stay up very long.
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 722
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:17 am: |
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Road Warrior, I see you are from Pa, being from Ohio, I agree with your guy wire theory, but in the south, I have seen 40' of pipe extending from the house with no negative affect, they have 60 ft rohn 25 towers with no wires!! Not that I recommend it, but local conditions do make a difference. I still believe in guying anything over 10ft unsupported, but I understand where Bluegrass is coming from.
Rich |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 352
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 9:03 am: |
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Bluegrass,
It is very dangerous to have 40 ft of heavy
pipe freestanding./ Real heavy pipe will
buckle under its own weight./ Regular CB
mast (1 1/4 inch) is lighter, but, will
still buckle./ You need to try & find a tower
and mount that against your house./Look for people that have towers in there yards not being used, they may sell it to you or give it to you for taking it down for them./ Even most
40 ft towers need guy wires or should be
mounted against a high structure if guy wires
cannot be used./Do you have a high tree nearby your home??? Mount A-99 in the tree./ If you
have an attic, take window out & mount brackets
out your attic window, use 2x4 pieces of wood
mounted to the studs./ Make sure brackets will
get out past your overhang of your roof./ Keep
adding pieces of 2X4 painted wood until they do./
Run a strong long bolt through bracket holes
& through each piece of painted wood./ Run a
metal brace from at least one of the brackets./
Sometimes mounting antennas high can be fun...
LOL... If all fails, buy a Top One Antenna
which will perform at lower heights better
than the A-99 will....
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 356
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 6:33 pm: |
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Pig40,
Ok from what i gather Bluegrass wants to
mount a 40ft mast off his fence post.
A freestanding 40 ft of mast.
Not going to work.
Most freestanding towers are way to expensive
for most people to buy, unless u get a great deal.
I was referring to 25 G towers, TV towers &
such. I have seen first hand a 40 ft 25G Rohn tower that my friend had up buckle & fall.
He didn't use guide-wires.
JIM/PA/CEF 375
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Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 357
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 6:37 pm: |
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Hows the weather in Kentucky???, guess it is
probably a different world...LOL
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 358
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 7:40 pm: |
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Bluegrass, it would be much safer
if you mounted 40 ft against your house
instead of your fence post. I had to laugh,
well, not at the time...lol, when we tried
to raise my Imax 2000 on 30 ft of regular
1 1/4" TV mast and it buckled before we
got it raised. I wasn't a happy camper...LOL
I have 40 ft of 25 G tower, its mounted close
to the house & bracketted at the highest point.
3 guy wires./ Has a 4 element beam on it./
We get lots of high winds here, so, certain
ways of mounting antennas is a NO NO for us.
Years ago my neighbors TV tower came crashing
down & almost killed him, luckily the tower
hit the corner of his house & gave him just
enough time to get out of the way./ And it was
guyed, but, with thin wires that broke./
I'm just giving you this advice because
i don't want to see anyone get hurt. I have
my own child & the neighbor has her grand-
children playing next door, so, i take
extra care to make things safe.
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 723
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 9:59 am: |
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RW,
My point was, that I came here from NM, where in spring we got 70mph winds a lot. I guy the heck out of everything I put up, but when I got here, I have seen a lot of unsupported antennas, and they have been up for a while. I marvel at it myself, but my stuff is always gonna be guyed!
Rich |
Troublemaker
Intermediate Member
Username: Troublemaker
Post Number: 103
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 6:09 pm: |
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I have 2" sch.40 blackiron pipe, standing in 24"x24"x36"concrete, 28'up from the ground,for a flagpole, a 4'x6'flag has as much wind resistant as most cb antennas,it does"nt even sway much when I lean an extension ladder on it to paint it every spring. my .02 worth. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 361
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 7:31 pm: |
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Pig40,
I'd like to see some of those antenna
installations...LOL...
Troublemaker At least you have your pole
cemented good in the ground that helps alot.
Regular flagpoles are tapered from bottom to top with different sized masts to prevent
the pole from buckling under its own weight.
Is your black-iron pipe all one piece????
JIM/PA/CEF 375
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 208
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 6:05 am: |
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Well if it buckles at the point where the sections come together i will renforce it with a couple peices of angle iron on each side of the pipe at the meeting point held in place with heavy duty mast clamps.OH ! I just got an idea maybe i can put a short section of pipe in cement and mount the rest to it.What do you think? |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 5164
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 10:13 am: |
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Bluegrass,
You might also want to check the City Building/Safety Dept for rules/ regulations / codes on putting an antenna up.
Most cities have codes and regulations that must be followed when installing an antenna in the City Limits.
You may need a City Permit to even put one up.
Since you asked I think it is very foolish to put 40' of pipe in the ground and then add an antenna with no guy wires or supports.
It is very unsafe and an accident waiting to happen.
If you have 40' of pipe and then add say an IMAX to the top you are looking at 64' sticking in the air with No support.
And if you have neighbors they are going to be very concerned about where that will land if it comes down.
Anything sticking 40' or 64' in the air IS going to draw attention from everyone driving by or living near you.
Just my personal thoughts,
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
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Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 365
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 8:43 pm: |
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Bluegrass,
My opinion is the same as Tech 808's.
Unsafe and a accident waiting to happen.
Why did you change your mind on mounting
on top your garage roof? How high is your
garage? Placing guy wires on your garage
roof can be done easily. I will give you
ideas on safe installations.
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 213
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 8:33 am: |
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Yeah i agree here's my new plan,i'm going to get 2 21 foot sections of pipe and put them up in back of the garage at ground level with a support bracket mounted to the eves on the roof to take the place of guy wires and before you say it i know that there will be more then 25 feet of pipe that will be unsupported but we don't get vary high winds around here so unless we get a tornado like last year (the first here in louisville in 30 years) i think i'll be ok. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 369
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 4:07 pm: |
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Thats still to much pipe sticking up for me.
Just make sure the bottom is secured, to
prevent pipe from kicking out. This can
be done by digging a 3-5 ft deep hole,
then put a bigger sized pipe in the ground
than your using for the mast./ Slide your
mast down inside the bigger pipe./ Also Bracket
the bottom as well as the eave.
JIm/PA/CEF 375 |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 370
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 4:19 pm: |
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With that much pipe sticking above your
garage i would still seriously think about
using a few guy wires./ Where the 2 pipes
will be joined together is a WEAK SPOT!/
Better reinforce it somehow. Because it
will buckle there./
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Airplane1
Intermediate Member
Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 319
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:14 am: |
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I agree with Road warrior, I think it`s too much unsupported. I worry about the 20 ft of tower that will be sticking above my garage and tower is stronger than pipe being triangle shaped.
Good luck and be careful.
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Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 377
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 7:40 pm: |
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Have you ever noticed how street lights
& flagpoles are designed./ They taper from
using large diameter pipe at the bottom
to smaller diameter pipe going towards
the top./ This is actually a much better
design than using all large diameter pipe.
If a street light had all large pipe it
would end up on top of somebodies car./
The weight of itself would cause it to break
off. Most of us think larger heavy pipe
is strongest./ It certain situations its your
worst enemy.
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 220
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:30 am: |
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Not the street lights in Louisville,There mounted on telephone poles except for the ones on the freeway.But getting back to the point i am planing to put about 8 inches of the pipe in the ground to keep the bottem from kicking out and as for where the sections come together the top of one section is tapered a bit so it can fit in to the next section so sence the wall will be double thick shouldn't it be stronger there then the rest of the pipe? |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 378
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 1:13 pm: |
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Yeah the one i tried years ago was the
screw in sleeve type deal./ Buckle city./
What diameter of pipe you using???
How heavy of pipe???
My neighbor has 1 1/4 inch mast 28 ft high,
clamped to a clothes pole, guy wired &
THAT SIZE of pipe is buckling near one of
the seams that slides into the other pipe.
He has a old penetrator antenna up there.
You probably plan on using a larger diameter
pipe than 1 1/4 right?
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Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 379
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 2:13 pm: |
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Bluegrass, you have missed the whole
point./ Contact someone in your area
that is knowledgable in the type of
installation you want to perform & get
there opinions./ Maybe the place you plan
on buying the mast from./ Look up
flagpoles on the internet it will explain
in full detail why they design them that
way!/ I know your thinking...WHY???/ It will
tell you how pipe loses its strength the
higher you go & explains the theory./
Good Luck & Be careful
JIM/PA/CEF
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 227
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 3:27 am: |
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There isn't anyone in my area who is knowledgable in this kind of installation except for commerical two-way radio shops but they won't lift a finger to help a cb'er.The last cb shop in town that did installations went out of business 6 years ago.I am planing to use 1 3/4 od inch galvanized steel pipe. |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 236
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 5:16 am: |
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I found a place where i can get a single 43 foot long section of pipe.Will that be strong enough? |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 386
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:11 am: |
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The problem your going to run into
is pipe that is all one diameter in
size will get weaker with height./
Whether its 1 or 2 piece sections./ 40 ft
is alot of pipe. Your better off getting
30 ft of 1 3/4" pipe & attach 1 10' section
of 1 1/4" mast to the top of that with
4 U-bolts. But, personally i would still use
guy wires.
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 387
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:33 am: |
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Bluegrass,
Whether you have high winds or not.
Pipe is strong in some situations &
not as strong in others no matter how
big or strong it looks./ USING THE SAME
DIAMETER IN SIZE OF PIPE, WEAKENS WITH
INCREASES IN HEIGHT, whether its 1 piece
or several pieces together or no matter
how large the diameter of the pipe is./
JIM/PA/CEF 375
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 240
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 7:33 am: |
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Oki'll discuss that with Heavy D and see what we can do but like i said before guy wires are not an option here.Maybe i should get 20 feet of 1 3/4 in. pipe and 10 feet of 1 1/2 in. pipe and top it off with 10 feet of 1 1/4 in pipe.What do you think?Oh and i just got an eave mount on eBay and we are going to attach both brackets to the eaves so the mast will have twice as much support as it would with a single eave bracket. |
Hotwire
Intermediate Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 206
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 11:37 am: |
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Use a pipe half the length of your antenna and make sure it is solid. Anything longer to erect a heavy base antenna without guy wires your gonna set yourself up for failure and possibly heaven forbid someone might get hurt. Listen to these people they are not suggestions they are flat out WARNING you! |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 392
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 2:51 pm: |
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Thats better than using all one diameter
of pipe. How do you plan on joining the
pipes together??? How high is your garage
anyhow???
You get better strength from Brackets if
they are spaced apart from each other.
How much of this pipe will there be above
your garage in free space???
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Airplane1
Intermediate Member
Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 324
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 6:01 pm: |
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why dont you just look for some towers in your area? or order some rohn 25 and braket it to your garage and cement the base. you could possibly find some tower for free and then you would be in buisness! |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 591
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 8:25 pm: |
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since i can only find 5 pieces of rohn 25 tower, can i add 3-10' pieces of aluminum pipe onto the legs to get my tower 60' in the air?
just hadda ask! since you copper guys are so silly...i mean helpful! |
Usa2112
Junior Member
Username: Usa2112
Post Number: 36
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 9:08 pm: |
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yes but use the 3 pieces of pipe at the bottom to help with wind load and earthquake hazards,if you live on a fault line of coarse....hehehhee |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 594
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 10:06 pm: |
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no, gosh-golly-gee, i am about 3000 miles from the san andreas fault, so i should be OK with earthquakes. but i do live on an island... |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 244
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 3:25 am: |
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Ok let's start with what Hotwire said,what do you mean by use a pipe half the length of my antenna?The pipe i'm using now is bigger then that.Road Warrior the sections just slide in to each other one end of each section is tapered and my garage is about 15 feet high at the peak of the roof and yes i'll space the brackets apart.And to you Airplane 1 as i've said many times before I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM OR MONEY FOR A TOWER!!!Oh and i think i'll use 1 21 foot 2 inch pipe with a 10 foot 1 3/4 inch pipe above it and a 10 foot 1 1/2 inch pipe on top.Just out of curiosity would the pipe sections be stronger if i welded them together? |
Hotwire
Intermediate Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 207
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 8:39 am: |
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Bluegrass only if you plan to NOT use guy wires. |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 596
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 11:26 am: |
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***********ATTENTION-BLUEGRASS*****************
some things just CAN'T be done.
some things you need to try & see how & if it works.
you say you don't have $$ for a tower, or the room.
fine.
your goal is to get the bottom of the antenna up to 35'. go to the local home improvement or plumbing supply. get a 10' piece of black or galvanized plumbing pipe in 2" or 2-1/2" AND a 10' piece the next size smaller from what you got. then get the adapter to put those 2 pieces together. mount the imax to the smaller piece & attach the pipes to the gable end of the garage with at least 2 side mount brackets. at that point you should be ok. go get another 10' piece of the thicker pipe you used & another coupler, slide the current installation up so you can put the new 10' piece in from the bottom.
if everything is still steady, you're good. if it's getting wobbly, try cutting a couple feet at a time off the bottom til it's steady again. or if it was steady at that height, go get ANOTHER piece of pipe the same size as the last piece, or 1 size bigger even, with the correct coupler, & slide it in again.
whether it's at the 20' point or 40' point or somewhere in between, you'll find the maximum height you can get that imax up into the air.
you cannot get that antenna up much more then 5' over the tripod with aluminum poles, or even chain link fence pipe, & the galvanized pipe will probably rip the tripod & roof off with a good wind.
you cannot defy the laws of physics & gravity. you could put that little imax up on the worlds strongest tower & still not be guaranteed of it not coming down. at 20' i'd say it ain't goin' nowhere. at 25', it'll probably stay up. any more that that, sooner or later it's coming down.
so, you can spend about $100 on 3 pieces of galvanized pipe & connectors, settle for the height you get, or spend whatever you want on any cheaper install & probably 1st good storm & it'll all need to be replaced by next spring, including the crumpled imax. by the time you do that once or twice, you'll be 1/2 way or more to buying that rohn tower anyway.
in the mean time, get it as high as you can, even if only 20', & keep your eye out for a tower in someones yard with no antenna on it. they may just be happy to have you haul it away & you've got a free tower, & who knows, it could be 60' even!!!!!
so let's put this base antenna mounting problem of bluegrass's to bed and get back to his base amplifier problems
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Airplane1
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Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 326
Registered: 5-2004
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I SAID YOU COULD FIND ONE FOR FREE! I GOT MY TOWER FREE AND IT ONLY TAKES UP ABOUT A 14 INCH OF DIRT AT GROUND! YOU WILL SPEND MORE THAN ME ON ONE PIECE OF PIPE AND USE ABOUT THE SAME SPACE. OH I FORGOT, YOU WILL BE REPLACEING IT MORE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 396
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 6:22 pm: |
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Bluegrass,
Keep a look out in your town or city for
people that have towers in there yard that
are no longer being used./ Ask them if
they want you to take it down for them.
Sometimes people will give it to you for
free, because its a eye-sore to them./
We understand that you don't have the
extra money to buy things./ Keep an eye
open in bargain sheets also for used tower.
A tower is only about 12-14 inches in width./
I know your getting very frustated with all
this & just want to get a antenna up./
But, in your case a tower would be the
best way you can go to get the height you
want./ Just keep your eyes & ears open for
free tower./
JIM/PA/CEF 375
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Bluegrass
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Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 248
Registered: 12-2004
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FOR THE LAST TIME I DON'T WANT TO PUT UP A STINKIN TOWER!!! It's too much trouble to install and I'd have to assemble it on the ground and walkit up and theres no room for that in my back yard and i'm not going to use a tripod the mast is going to be ground mounted.Hotwire no i'm NOT going to use guy wires. |
Hotwire
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Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 210
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 8:45 am: |
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OK Bluegrass just trying to help. Do it how you prefer and good luck. |
Airplane1
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Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 327
Registered: 5-2004
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Sorry but I think your already having a lot of trouble. I am putting my tower up with a bucket truck that I am loaning and if I did`nt have a bucket truch I would still get help and put it up piece by piece, so it dont need all the room your saying and I just think your having way to much trouble already from the sound of this post so far. You might have even mor trouble and $$$ later if what your doing now dont work, all might be a waste and you just might regret putting a tower up. But I know, you are not putting one up cause it`s to much trouble.
At the very least, LISTEN to the members on this post on doing a pipe instalation, We all care and want you to be succesful.
airplane |
Bluegrass
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Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 253
Registered: 12-2004
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I know that you care but I'm just telling you what i can do.The installation has to be simple and cheap and a tower is not simple or cheap not with all the extras i would have to buy plus i don't own this house i just live here and whatever i put up has to be temperary.So NO cement. |
Patzerozero
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Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 606
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 5:35 pm: |
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i guess my post didn't stand out enough.
no cement.
no tower.
no tripod.
no guarantees.
no guts.
no glory.
not enough clipart.
 
should i continue?
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Patzerozero
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Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 607
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 5:37 pm: |
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BTW, my way is how ??? (sorry)got his antenna up in that pinetree!!!!! look on the members pics thread.
give it a shot bluegrass |
Bluegrass
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Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 255
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 6:31 am: |
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I'm not sure about the tree thing. The only tree in our yard that's tall enough is pretty old and has a HUGE crack right down the middle of the trunk and looks like it's ready to fall at any time.But it would be a simple fix to the problem. |
Airplane1
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Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 331
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 7:23 am: |
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those smileys have the right idea/LOL, I think i`ll have a beer/LOL!!! |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 413
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 11:38 am: |
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Crank it up that tree!/ And then do like the
smileys do./ Have a toast./
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Airplane1
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Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 334
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 6:59 pm: |
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Bluegrass, I hope you figure it out soon,I know what it`s like trying to get thigs right. Once you get the antenna up and running you will love it.
All the best to you.
AP |
Bluegrass
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Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 258
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 1:36 pm: |
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Well i checked the tree and it's out of the question.There's no way i or anybody else is going to go up that tree in the condition it's in.And.I'v already bought the eave mount now i just need to get the pipe and some more coax. |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 415
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 6:16 pm: |
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Thats too bad, that would of been a
good place to mount it.
JIm/PA/CEF 375 |
Patzerozero
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Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 614
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 8:38 pm: |
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i did NOT mean in a tree, but the way he got it up there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sliding poles in from the bottom til he got it to the height he wanted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do that along the end of the garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!slide the pipe through the eave mount & keep adding sections til you get the height you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where's the double jack daniels with a splash of coke clipart????????? |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 416
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 10:01 pm: |
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You distracted us with all that clipart...lol
Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JIM/PA/CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
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Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 261
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 8:31 am: |
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That won't work the first section is going to be 21 feet tall and the garage is only 15 feet tall at the peak of the roof. |
Kb9ryi
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Username: Kb9ryi
Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:30 pm: |
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Hi Bluegrass, I just wanted to say I have used the roof mount tripod antenna mounts on several houses and for many different antennas. Everything from a MS-119 Super Scanner back in the 70's to discone's to Big Stick's VHF/UHF onmi's and beams to the Maco V-5/8 I have now. These are a excellent inexpensive way to get an antenna up. They will work well if your roof is in good condition with good wood under the roofing. One thing I have observed is make sure you have a good ground on the tripod mount to a ground rod. This will give you some lightning protection and reduce some of the static and other noise for a quieter receive. Good luck with it and I hope it works out well for you.
73 for now and God Bless, John KB9RYI |
Bluegrass
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Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 267
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 8:50 am: |
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I guess you didn't read all the posts,I'm not going to use a tripod i'm just going to put up about 40 feet of galvanized steel fence pipe held up with an eave mount on the peak of the garage roof or at least thats what i want to do. |
Airplane1
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Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 351
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 4:30 pm: |
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Patzerozero,
Looks like the clipart is having a party, can we all join too?
AP |
Patzerozero
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Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 623
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 6:42 pm: |
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@#%^&%%!*&+&"?#@%&!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well there, AP,(hiccup) the peak of my house is(hiccup)15' & i put 4 wall mount brackets(hiccup) on it, slid 2-10' pieces of(hiccup) 2" plumbing pipe in from the (hiccup)bottom so my maco v5/8 is 20'(hiccup) to the feedpoint.(hiccup,hiccup)i have a 2-1/2" piece & 3" (hiccup) piece with appropriate(hiccup) couplers(hiccup), & as soon as i get a DRY (hiccup, hiccup, hiccup) day around here, i'm gonna slide 'em in(hiccup) from the bottom & (hiccup) figure i'll still be good at (hiccup) 30' without guy(hiccup)wires. & seeing if i can look STRAIGHT up(hiccup) without falling (hiccup) down, i'll try the 4th piece.(hiccup). (hiccup). (hiccup). that's how i DID (hiccup) it.
sure (hiccup) everybody's welcome to the (hiccup) party. it is BY(hiccup)OB, or at this point, (hiccup) Bring Your Own jack daniels.(hiccup). those little clipart guys(hiccup) sure do drink a (hiccup) lot!
WHOA!!!! easy, pat, i think (hiccup) i just saw a (hiccup) a pink easter bunny(hiccup, hiccup, hiccup).
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 275
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 9:14 am: |
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I need more then 20 feet from the ground to the feedpoint. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 425
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 11:48 am: |
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Bluegrass,
Re-read what Patzerozero (hipcup) wrote
in his last (hipcup) post. He explains
how to get to 30' and 40'. (hipcup)
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 281
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 3:07 pm: |
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I'm having trouble reading his post I suffer from some nuralogical disorders and the way he wrote the post makes it vary hard for me to understand.Pet can you rewrite your post please WITHOUT all the funny stuff? |
Airplane1
Intermediate Member
Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 368
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 4:14 pm: |
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HICCUP,HICCUP! |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 751
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 11:06 am: |
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Hey Bluegrass, I dont think it is any harder to read than his regular posts, haha.
Rich |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 286
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 5:48 am: |
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It is for me. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 435
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 10:58 am: |
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Bluegrass.
Patzerozero wrote: The peak of my house is
15 feet and I put 4 wall mount brackets on it,
slid (2) 10 foot pieces of 2 inch plumbing
pipe in from the bottom so my Maco V5/8 is
20 feet to the feedpoint of antenna. I have
a 2 1/2 inch piece and a 3 inch diameter piece
of pipe with appropriate couplers.
I'm gonna slide 'em in from the bottom and
figure i'll still be good at 30 feet without
guy wires. Then, slide 4th piece up. Thats how
i did it.
This is not a direct quote from Pat.
Please be careful in whatever you try...
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375
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Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 436
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 11:02 am: |
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Bluegrass,
Please just be careful with whatever you
try. Wouldn't want to hear something
happened to you.
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Patzerozero
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Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 645
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 11:15 am: |
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'Hey Bluegrass, I dont think it is any harder to read than his regular posts, haha.'
i needa (hiccup) drink
easy there, pig, or i'll throw a little jack daniels in your slop |
Patzerozero
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Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 656
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 11:58 pm: |
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just like road warrior indirectly quoted me, bluegrass. after the initial mounting procedure, you'll only need to climb a ladder 1 time, at the completion of the installation, to tighten the mounting bracket hardware. using very HEAVY very THICK plumbing pipe is the ONLY chance of getting the antenna more then 5' above the mounting bracket. aluminum, even chain link fence pipe WILL bend, when much more then a couple feet are above the brackets & unguyed. as i said in 1 of my earlier posts on this subject-'some things just CAN'T be done.'. getting the feedpoint of your antenna to 35' without a tower or using guy wires may just be 1 of those things that CAN'T BE DONE. and after watching this typhoon blow through here for the last 2 days with 5" of rain & ONLY 50+ mph winds, i'm not so sure the 4th pole is gonna last. but if i EVER have a nice day here again, i'm gonna try it & see how it works. again, i said earlier, you can always cut a few feet off the bottom pole if it looks like it'll make a difference.
i own my house, & COULD put up a tower, but if i can get 10' more, to help get over some trees, without the tower, hey why not? WHEN it inevitably comes down someday, i'll reassess MY no tower thoughts, then probably buy more pipe!
yes watch out for overhead wires. mine are on the other side of the house, blocked by trees & a side facing gable.
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 291
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 3:29 pm: |
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Well i'm rethinking the no guy wires thing.I might use one set of guy wires at the top with one wire attached to the roof and the other two attached to the chain link fence in the back yard. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 454
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 3:06 pm: |
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Just take your time and think it out.
Good Luck and stay safe.
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 300
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 10:23 am: |
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Yeah i think i'm going to use one set of small guy wires on the mast. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 484
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 4:47 pm: |
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Just checking to see how your making
out there Bluegrass...
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 308
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 5:32 am: |
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Well i just got the eave mount and we might install it this weekend just to save time later.Progress is going to be slow. |
Road_warrior
Intermediate Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 495
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 9:28 pm: |
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Good Luck and let us know how you make out.
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 529
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 9:44 am: |
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Bluegrass,
How did you make out with installing
your antenna???
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 750
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 9:20 pm: |
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took me all afternoon last weekend to design & build a square loop antenna that had LOW swr's at 50.125mhz, & about 15 minutes to mount it, 15' of mast & a 3' tripod on my roof, 30' to feedline. with no guy wires. 50mph gusts last nite & it's still standing. that wasn't so difficult.
after i put together 65' of 9913, i'll take another 15 minutes out of my busy schedule & raise my maco v5/8 another 10-15 feet. without guy wires. & see how long that baby stays up! |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 314
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 10:20 am: |
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SUCCESS!!! Heavy D helped me out.We went to Home Depot and got a 10 foot section of fence pipe and he gave me a section he had laying around and he and another friend of mine used the eave mount and put it up behind the garage (without guy wires)and it works great.I still need to get a ground rod and in the future i might put it up another 10-15 feet but for now i'm set.Thanks for the advice and help. |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 556
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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Good Deal!
Glad to hear all is good.
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Tech808
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Username: Tech808
Post Number: 5742
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 12:21 pm: |
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Bluegrass,
GREAT!
Now when we head down to visit Copper again on the 26th if you have your radio on 13 AM early in the morning maybe we can connect.
Or late thursday night or friday morning when we head back to Illinois.
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 319
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 2:04 pm: |
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That's a nice offer but I have to know someone pretty well before I tell them where i live. |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 594
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 10:39 pm: |
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Bluegrass,
I think what Lon meant is that he will
be passing through Louisville and
will give you a shout on channel 13 to
see if he can contact you by CB radio.
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Patzerozero
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Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 821
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 9:49 pm: |
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Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 326
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 4:01 pm: |
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Well it's too late for that and i wasn't on the air at that time anyway.Sorry about the misunderstanding, I'm not the brightest crayon in the box. |
Road_warrior
Advanced Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 615
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 6:38 pm: |
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How's that antenna working for you
Bluegrass? Talk any good DX?
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 333
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 2:46 pm: |
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Heck yeah! I've made contacts with stations in central Virgina,Missisippi and New Yark state all in the last few weeks. Well they said that's where they were but there's a lot of jerks on the air around here and it's hard to tell when the skip is real or if somebody is bs-ing you. |
Road_warrior
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Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 619
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 2:41 pm: |
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Good deal Bluegrass!
Maybe we will connect sometime on
the Copper Nets.
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 879
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 9:41 pm: |
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the thread that never ends!
made quite a few calls into kentucky last nite on ch 4-where were you bluegrass? had 'em coming back from ky, tn, il, in-but NO bluegrass!
made some calls tonite, too, but only got georgia stations coming back. |
Bluegrass
Intermediate Member
Username: Bluegrass
Post Number: 342
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 4:05 pm: |
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I don't know.I guess i couldn't hear you. |
