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Tx213
New member
Username: Tx213
Post Number: 4
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 5:38 pm: | 
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I am thinking of getting a S-9, would it work well with my TS667V? Or would I have to get a different amp? What kind would work?
Thanks
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Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 5097
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 5:55 pm: |
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Tx213,
WELCOME TO THE COPPER FORUM!
Below is what Sam Lweis Owner of RF Limited / Magnum Internal has to say,
USE WITH AN AMPLIFIER
The S-3, S-9,and Omega Force S-45 and S-6 were designed to work with a 4 pill Amplifier like the Texas Star 500 or Similar Amplifier that uses 4 - 2SC2879's.
"DO NOT ATTEMPT" to run the Magnum S-3, S-9, S-6 or the Omega Force S-45 with any 2 PILL Amplifier!
Also if you use the Magnum S-3, S-6, S-9 or Magnum Omega Force S-45 with an Amplifier that uses an Exciter/Driver you MUST have the radio adjusted for a Dead Key of 4 watts and NO More than 12 watts PEP.
It is Highly Suggested that you have a professional do this.
Hope this helps,
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN
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Licketysplit
New member
Username: Licketysplit
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 5:53 pm: |
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Can I safely drive a TS 250 HDV with my S9 if I turn the power down? If so, How far down do I need to go? I'm thinking of moving up to a bigger amp in the near future. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Chris |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1677
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 5:51 pm: |
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Tx213, you need to mod the dx667 to remove the 2290 driver transistor, or just get a dx500.
both Tx213 & licketysplit-TRY turning down S9 to LESS then 2 watts using rf power knob on front of radio & EXTERNAL wattmeter, not radio meter, turn mic gain WAY down til external wattmeter shows NO MORE then 10-15 watts PEP swing. experiment with topgun OFF then try it on. amp will be fine with that LOW input, you will need audio reports to see if it SOUNDS good. it WILL sound better farther away rather then up close.
S9 is designed to work best WIDE OPEN with a 4 x 2sc2879 amp...but CAN work with others if care is used. exceeding my above suggested settings WILL kill those amps. |
Mrhydone
New member
Username: Mrhydone
Post Number: 4
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 6:59 pm: |
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Since I already have a texas Star dx400 can
i safely run it with the Magnum S3 & S6? |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1806
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 3:23 pm: |
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though you are advised NOT to....turn dead key down to less then 3 watts, maybe even lower then 2, then turn mic gain & any power mic down til your swing is UNDER 20 watts on an EXTERNAL wattmeter, not the built in 1 on the radio. you probably will have to turn the topgun OFF for local contacts, on DX & LONG distance it should be OK. then get a reliable radio check & see how it sounds. |
Mrhydone
New member
Username: Mrhydone
Post Number: 5
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 1:08 pm: |
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Thanks for the info. Patzerozero,
I will try it out..but will try to trade or
just buy a dx-500v amp and run it wide open as
stated above. Question why do these radios
S3,S6,& S9 prefer the 4x2879"s, opposed to the
4 x sc2990's??
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Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1812
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 5:48 pm: |
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the 2879's will safely handle closer to 8 watts input EACH, or 32 watts, the 2290's only handle about 3 watts each, around 12 total. PEP, a bit more.
an amp like the 667 with a single 2290 driver stage therefore only handles 3 watts in put. PERIOD. |
Mrhydone
New member
Username: Mrhydone
Post Number: 9
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 7:00 pm: |
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Hello Patzerozero,
Just ordered a DX500v to work with my Magnum S6
please advise what would the best settings be?
ie: dead key, swing etc,etc.
any info. would be appreciated on this installation.
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Goat373
Intermediate Member
Username: Goat373
Post Number: 150
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 8:19 pm: |
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asking again because i like redundancy....can i drive 2 2879's with this radio...sure would be nice not having to buy another amp...OR...what is the suspected price on the 175 version. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2254
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 11:22 am: |
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i answered your question under cobra 350 amp thread. MAYBE...S9 down to LOWEST dead key possible, mic gain til swing shows less then 20 watts & see how it sounds. try topgun off 1st, then on.
my 150 watt ar3500 cost nearly $600 FULLY LOADED in mid '80's. well over $300 'base'. my guess is the 175 watt S9 has to approach $500. i WAS wrong on the cobra 200, BUT i still like the stock S9 better!
my 175 watt S9 fund is nearly ready  |
Bert
Junior Member
Username: Bert
Post Number: 47
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 8:38 am: |
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My beloved D104-M6B microphone is acting up and I would like to replace it.  I used it on my MAGNUM S9 along with the stock mic.
'Anybody have any recommendations for a mic for the S9? |
Hotwire
Advanced Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 856
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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Bert, personally my mic of choice is the Astatic 636 noise canceling. Some people prefer the Road King 56. Both would work well. Whatever you like. Some voices sound better with one or the other or both. Maybe just get a new beloved D104 mic? If its a base radio setup why not wait for the new base mic from Copper that should be ready soon? |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2366
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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i have found the 636 & 56 REDUCE the audio on almost every radio i try it on. on my S9 it IS noticeable, on my delta-forget it!
have a dm452 on my S9 that my son uses, with radio mic gain at 2 o'clock, & mic just cracked open the width of a line, that radio is LOUD. |
Hotwire
Advanced Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 862
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 1:23 pm: |
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Pat? You share your S-9? Get the kid an S-9 of his own for cryin out loud! Better yet a Connex 4800! If you don't he might get into the rebelous stage and find a Galaxy and would'nt that be your worst nightmare? Just imagine if he brought a Galaxy into your house? oh man! Just don't disown the little fella! OK? We all learn from mistakes!
OH! Pat you are VERY correct about the Astatic reducing audio! I always press the mic against my lips when I talk and that is what you must do. I figure its because of the noise canceling feature. Still my favorite though.
Yo Bert I just remembered. The new Wilson mics do not reduce audio and are built as well as Astatics! They are really good mics and sound great and loud. I own one for a base backup. I had one problem.....one of the inside wires came loose that go to the mic element, had to solder it back. They are a bit pricey BTW. Find them at the popular truck stops. They have noise canceling and amplified models. I hear the amplified models run on the radio power. AS Pat said the DM452 is a good choice also and on the cheap. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2377
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 2:25 pm: |
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astatic road devil i like too. only radio i ALWAYS use a power mic on is my rci5054dx100, & the road devil makes a BIG difference & the hams don't complain, so it must be good!
13 years old, he helps me 'test' things |
Bert
Junior Member
Username: Bert
Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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Hotwire and Pat, thanks for the comments. Hotwire, even though the D104 is beloved, I'm not blind to trying something else if someone has had good luck. What's the news on the new base mic from Copper?
Pat, thanks for the comments on the DM452. I think I'll give that one a try. I'll order a 104 as well for another radio. I'll do this before they're discontinued like all the rest of the good ones!
Thanks again guys,
trx04 |
Hotwire
Advanced Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 866
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 9:19 am: |
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Well Bert all I know so far is its only available from Copper. Thought it was going to be out this month sometime but not sure. Lon said its still being tested and perfected. Lon has been using a prototype for a while and everyone he contacts with it gives the audio a thumbs up! I'm really excited to get my hands on one soon! You could ask Lon if he has any up to date info on its arrival at Copper.
Patzerozero! Good ideal, I need a kid to help test things also. You don't make his hair stand up straight do you? |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 9203
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 9:46 am: |
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Bert,
The
 JCD-201M DESK TOP
COMPRESSION MICROPHONE
should be arriving soon. 
As soon as they arrive and are tested and ready to be Shipped to Copper Customers I will make a post. 
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9CEF 
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Bert
Junior Member
Username: Bert
Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 7:15 pm: |
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Pat,Hotwire and Lon: thanks! (actually, also really looking forward to Magnum 257 arrival :} } |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 845
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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The Superstar DM-452 is a wonder mic. I love it. It's the only mic so far that outperforms the stock mic on my Magnum Omega Force S-45. I look forward to trying the new compression desktop mic. (I run my OF0S45 as a base station.)
mikefromms |
Bert
Member
Username: Bert
Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 2:19 pm: |
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Thanks Mikefromms. |
Im4jc
Member
Username: Im4jc
Post Number: 84
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 4:25 pm: |
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If they made a DM-452 with noise-cancelling, I'd give it a try, but in a big truck, no noise-cancelling means "no sale" as far as I'm concerned. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2389
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 7:48 pm: |
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'road devil' Im4jc, works GREAT...though i use the stock mic in MY mobile |
Im4jc
Member
Username: Im4jc
Post Number: 85
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 8:17 pm: |
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Which mobile Pat? The XL or the S9? You really use that stock mike that comes with the Unidens, lol?
Also, do you really think that I could benefit from a power mike? My Grant LT/RK56 combo is pretty loud as it is, but I'm always up for improvement. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2393
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 3:27 pm: |
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my S9 is 1 of many radios i use at my base. my XL is what i talk from in my mobile 95% of the time-& the stock mic is what i use, local or dx. 75 copper members have heard it & none has EVER said i need a power mic |
Im4jc
Member
Username: Im4jc
Post Number: 91
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 4:19 pm: |
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10-4. But what about background noise...or are you driving a Cadillac and don't have to worry about it? Man, every, and I do mean every, stock mike that I have heard in a big truck allows tons of background noise in. Even those new Cobra High Gears (UGH!) that tout themselves as "Noise-Cancelling" allow every bit as much noise in as a stock mike does. The only ones that I've found that work properly are the RK56 and the Astatic 636's. The problem with the 636's is that they REALLY reduce audio, hence my decision to run an RK56.
Like I said though, I'm always up for a good powered noise-cancelling alternative for the following reason:
I don't get the flowers with my Grant LT/2 pill 1446/RK56 that I did with my Magnum S9. Don't get me wrong...When ever I solicit a radio check, everyone said it sounds loud, clear and crisp, but there's that ol' ego thing that I used to love with the S9. I never had to solicit flowers with that radio...they threw them at me, lol. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2404
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 5:02 pm: |
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i have used the road devil in my mobile. i actually liked the old turner RK76 better, but have been unable to find 1 & telex only duplicated the 56, which i feel also reduces audio.
i cannot drive & talk with the windows open, not even with the road devil. the reason i don't run a power mic in my mobile is for the same reason i never permanently mounted my S9 in the mobile....i just don't. no real reason. actually, i think even i have a tendancy to crank up a power mic too far, & with the stock mic, i can crank the mic gain to 3 o'clock & have nothing else. & there, it IS crystal clear & loud. SSB i have to back it down to 11 o'clock, too much PEP output & my headlights flicker .
a lot of guys are running a few extra watts & loud, muffled, clipped, overmodulated crummy sounding radios with the power mics cranked up way too high in an effort to...be heard or get out, i guess. get everything backed down to where it actually sounds good, & up the watts a notch, they'll be heard & get out. & people will know what they are saying too.
now that you got me going, i may just wire a road devil up this weekend for kicks! will have to see if vanillagorilla can hear me from 75 miles away! |
Im4jc
Member
Username: Im4jc
Post Number: 96
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 4:00 am: |
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Let me know how it goes with the Road Devil. If I end up getting one, I'll have to dye it black, 'cause the red just looks plain stupid. |
Capt205
Junior Member
Username: Capt205
Post Number: 46
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 11:38 am: |
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Patzerozero...I have RK76's on both my Base and mobile S9's and they sound great. One is a holdover from days gone by, and the other I found brand spankin new in the box for...hold on to your socks....$30.00 on an auction site. Those mics always sounded good when they were around. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2408
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 7:26 pm: |
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Capt.....%&$#@*&^%*!!! $30, ouch! i've been lookin' for 1 for a long time, must've missed it! but i'm gonna keep searchin'!!
i've gotten used to the red 1 on my rci5054dx100, but then again, i'm usually too busy writing call signs to see it! have 1 black one as well as several more red ones, hopefully this weekend i'll get a chance to wire 1 for the XL, i'll just need the DX to cooperate! YEA RIGHT!! |
Vanillagorilla
Intermediate Member
Username: Vanillagorilla
Post Number: 466
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 7:44 pm: |
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...you know where to find me Pat  . I'm NOT surprised to hear YOU but I AM surprised to be HEARD!
Me and my Peanut whistle base..
Always did wonder why you didn't use a nice clean PM like the D104...but you explained that fairly well. If I could just shake the ReDnEcK "why won't this thing go to "11" feeling..I'll be alright. |
Capt_hook
Intermediate Member
Username: Capt_hook
Post Number: 254
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 5:56 am: |
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if I were to use a S-9 for a base what would be a good mic for this radio ????????..Capt Hook |
Hibuckhobby
New member
Username: Hibuckhobby
Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 9:21 pm: |
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I've used a d-104, dm452, turner plus three and the stock mic. All of them work well. The mic gain on this radio is enough that even a dynamic mic like the astatic 636 will provide plenty of drive...in fact, it might be the mic of choice on ssb.
YMMV
Bob |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2476
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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shure 526t |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 854
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 2:01 pm: |
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The cheap 56K noise cancilling mics sold at Copper for under $20 are fine mics. I use one on my Galaxy (is this brand name allowed on here?) DX 95T in the mobile and it is loud and does not pick up the background noise. Even with a bad whining, roaring wheelbearing the mic only picks me up. LOL...
mikefromms |
