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Sthrnredneck
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Username: Sthrnredneck
Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 3:44 pm: | 
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Hey yall, I'm fairly new the this whole cb thing and am looking for a good but fairly cheap 2 pill with ssb and preamp. Any suggestions. Thanks yall. |
Tech808
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Username: Tech808
Post Number: 6067
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 6:18 pm: |
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Sthrnredneck,
WELCOME TO THE COPPER FORUM!
KL-300P = 2 - 1446 / $ 79.99
KL300P
Hope this helps,
Lon
Tech808
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Sthrnredneck
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Username: Sthrnredneck
Post Number: 2
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 8:31 pm: |
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I appreciate the help I have been looking at KL amps and here they are the best cheap amps on the market. Would like something to accept a little more input though. Thanks |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 927
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 11:35 pm: |
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can't recommend an amp without knowing-
do you plan on AM or SSB or both?
what type of radio & what has been done? dead key? is it variable? swing?
what kind of REAL watts are you expecting to get out of this amp or what do you plan to use it for-just a bit more punch or LONG distance work? |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 650
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:59 am: |
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That 300P will do it's thing on both am and ssb. It's the Magnum 257 of cheaper priced amplifiers. I highly recommend it.
mikefromms |
Yankee
Advanced Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 664
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 1:01 pm: |
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Just wanted to mention another good one from Palomar, it's the Elite 300, has a very good receive preamp that doesn't pick up all the ground noise has 1446X2 transistors and if it is going to be used at a base installation, it's best to have a good regulated power supply of at least 20 amps.
Depending on where you would be getting your information, the 1446 transistor is rated at 90 watts sideband at 27 MHz. A pair of 1446 transistors will output around 130 watts AM and around 150-170 watts sideband depending on the final drive output of the driving radio. Remembering to set the AM dead key on the radio at around 2 watts. |
Crackerjack
Advanced Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 662
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 1:53 pm: |
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Mike, do you know how much current the kl-300 actually draws.
Not what the advertisements suggest, but wgat it actually draws? |
Sthrnredneck
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Username: Sthrnredneck
Post Number: 3
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 6:22 pm: |
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Thanks for the info yall. Sorry i didn't include my radio info. I'ts a peaked Cobra 25 LTD WX classic with about a 7 watt deadkey and swinging up to about 11. Would like a variable amp but not a must. Also i plan on getting an ssb radio soon so i want the multipurpose box. Just looking for a lil more juice in my mobile. Thanks for all the help guys.
CEF 592/Stubby |
Crackerjack
Advanced Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 663
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 7:29 pm: |
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Sthrnredneck: Of the KL series Amps, the kl-400 and 500 will handle that radio. Although it would be better if you could turn it down.
http://www.rmitaly.com/scheda.asp?IDGr=1&cat=0&tipo=96
Form experience, I would run the 400 at power level #2 or #3 (as a common mode) and you will find out that it will perform as well as at level #6. |
Yankee
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Username: Yankee
Post Number: 665
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 7:31 pm: |
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That Cobra 25 LTD has to be turned down to 1-2 watts dead key, I don't have any AM only radios. But I do know this much a CB radio final output transistor being driven this hard, (7 watts swing 11) shortens the life of the driver and final transistors in a hurry, they were not ment to drive that much wattage. It was designed to putout a maximum of 4 watts modulated AM carrier. That much power into a low drive amp. will burn it up quickly. |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 935
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 8:54 pm: |
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everybody's right that your 7 watts is too much, S. BUT, maybe have the variable put in the RADIO, not the amp. the only time variable is needed in an amp is when it's used to drive a BIGGER amp. you want to adjust the dead key of the amp by adjusting the RADIO. as long as you don't have the radio butchered, bias class of the amp isn't all that important-it'll work fine AM & SSB. just make sure it has a built in DELAY. get the biggest 1 you can afford/your mobile will handle. you can always back it DOWN, but the only way to get more is buy another. |
Pig040
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Username: Pig040
Post Number: 805
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:39 am: |
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Dave's Made, or X Force, competition boxes, best on the market!
Rich |
Tech808
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Username: Tech808
Post Number: 6080
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 1:00 pm: |
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NOTE!
Cmon on guys read the most IMPORTANT 2 word's of the Question "Sthrnredneck" is asking.
fairly cheap
Sorry but Dave Made and X Force amps are NOT fairly cheap
Lon
Tech808
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Sthrnredneck
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Username: Sthrnredneck
Post Number: 4
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 7:39 pm: |
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thanks guys i will probably turn down the dead key and go with the KL-300P or one comparable.
CEF-592/Stubby |
Wolverine
Intermediate Member
Username: Wolverine
Post Number: 364
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 4:25 am: |
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Don't forget about the Magna-force 2 pill (SC2879) biased for SSB. It will take a 5 watt dead key.
Wolverine. |
Mikefromms
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Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 652
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 7:03 am: |
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Well, with 2 watts of drive it should draw about 10 amps and the amp deadkey about 20 to 25 watts on low and swing around 100 to 130 watts or more. On high with a 2 watt deadkey about 45 to 55 watts and swing close to the same. ON ssb with about 10 watts power she will swing over 200, of course all of this on the 10 meter band.
Mikefromms |
Mikefromms
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Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 653
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 7:04 am: |
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I might add, this would be the perfect little amp if you could turn the preamp off and on or at least be able to adjust it.
mikefromms |
Chad
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Username: Chad
Post Number: 319
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 9:19 am: |
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Mike's numbers are on with mine, same swing in high and low, just less sensitive, I run mine in low all the time, got better reports that way. Never seen over 200 on SSB but could be my meter.
Chad |
Pig040
Advanced Member
Username: Pig040
Post Number: 814
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:02 pm: |
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I put in the Dave's Made, and X force remark because I think they have been the best for me, never bought one new, never paid major bucks for them used.
Rich |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 941
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 5:44 pm: |
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kl500, texas star dx350 & magnaforce mf350 are all in the $200 price range. my choice would be mag-300w +, tex-250w +& kl-250w +, in that order-both quality-wise & output-wise. maybe not 'cheap', but probably best bang for the buck. |
Sthrnredneck
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Username: Sthrnredneck
Post Number: 5
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 7:53 pm: |
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I cant afford over $100 now. But i appreciate everyones input.
CEF-592/Stubby |
Yankee
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Username: Yankee
Post Number: 670
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 1:16 pm: |
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For under $100.00. The Palomar Elite 300 is a great choice, I have 2 friends that have one and are very happy with the amp. the amp. has 2 1446 transistors, and my friends say the preamp is very good.
Carl CEF-357 |
Sthrnredneck
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Username: Sthrnredneck
Post Number: 6
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 12:49 pm: |
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Thanks for all the help guys. I ordered the KL-300p today. Looking forward to getting it and hope it will help me talk to some of yall soon.
CEF-592/Stubby |
