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Mopedfreak
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 7:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a nice 1998 model Cobra 29 LTD ST radio.

Recieves fine, but on transmit it produces a good carrier signal that is picked up by other radios, but no audio. I have tried another mic. no change.

Any ideas?

I bought it this way, (for next to nothing) so I'm not sure what caused it.
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Romstar
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 2:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, taking a look at the block diagram gives us a pretty good idea of where to start.

From the mic, the signal travels to the dynamic control (a variable resistor) then into the mic amp, which is TR17 and associated parts and the AMC control, which is TR18 and it's associated parts.

From there, it jumps to the AF power amp. The "audio-chip", most commonly the TA7222AP.

From there, the audio chip dumps the signal through a diode, D8 in most cases.

Then it feeds to the driver and final.

So, since you are getting audio on receive, it's probably a safe bet that the audio chip is okay. Not a guarantee, but a safe bet.

This leaves you looking at TR17, TR18, D8 and those local components.

I'm willing to bet that the driver and final are good because you are getting a carrier, and no modulation, and that the audio chip is good, because you are getting sound on receive.

Give those a check, and let us know.

Frank
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852
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 6:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just a thought, but have you checked to see that the mic. gain is turned up??
Tommy~852~CEF 750

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Captian_radio
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try it in PA mode,if nothing in PA mode could still be the audio IC.
Bob CEF451/VE1CZ
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Romstar
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 2:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bob's right,

It is possible that PART of the audio IC is gone bad. If so, you need to find one of those, remove the old one and solder in the new one.

Tommy has a good comment as well, since the dynamic control is basically a variable resistor, if its turned down, that would cause problems.

Personally, I never really understood the need for the dynamic. RF Gain sure, but dynamic should be re-labled. It serves no useful purpose at all, and in many cases most people tie the wires together, and use the pot for something else.

As much as I hate saying it, check your electrolytic capacitors. These things are notorious for "dry cap" syndrome after a few years.

Good luck to you in any case.
Frank
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Mopedfreak
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 6:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It appears that the audio IC must be partly cooked. I tried to Key up with a headphone hooked up to the PA.. No audio at all.

Still recievves fine, so I'm guessing I should try the audio IC.

Well, Does anyone know if this part is availible? should I call cobra and ask?

Also, can anyone tell me what may have caused this failure? Like I said before, I bought the radio like this so I don't want to put a new chip in, and have it pop!

thanks for all the help so far. Now sadly I have to go over to the base station tech section and see if I can get some help with my Uniden washington that just quit.
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Mopedfreak
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh boy, I feel like an idiot!

I must have spent 2 hours with my multi meter poking around with this radio last night.
I gave up around 11pm, and decided to look at a little midland 1000 I have in my wifes car. I had put power mike on it and it had stated acting strange.

So I grabed my 2 other 4 pin power mics and headed out to the shed.
Well, BOTH the mics I had been using to test the cobra 29 were dead. and both had the same problem. both key up, but have to audio!

well, I put the stock mic back on the midland, and its back to normal, and then went back in and at close to midnight plugged in the power mic I use on my (now broken) base. It TALKS!

Thanks for all the help, and ideas. I'm glad it is all better, and now am moving on to getting my Uniden washington back up and running.
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Romstar
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 1:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DUH!

You think you feel stupid?

I neglected the first rule of trouble shooting.

Be sure all cables are firmly connected, and check your mic.

Don't feel too bad. I am sure it happens to almost everyone sooner or later. I know that I have a few bad mics here, and that it has also caused me similar headaches.

Glad to hear that it wasn't anything serious.

Frank

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