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Therealporkchop
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 3:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know if I can post the names of companies here or not, so here goes. ******* is offering two versions of this modification. A 60 watt and a 100 watt version. ****** also is offering plans for this and a guy on a internet auction site is selling plans for this mod as well.

Has anyone here bought these plans? Has anyone seen the results from one of these radios. ****** has sent pictures of the inside of the radio. Along with shots of a Bird 43 meter. It seems to show what they claim the radio will do. The only draw back is they claim is can not be done to SSB models. Anyone have these plans and care to share them?
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Bc910
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dont understand why you would pay money, or go through the hasle of that conversion. Granted, it's kinda cool to say "I've got a 60 watt Cobra 29" but come on! That's what a linear is for and you get WAY more bang for your buck. Besides what's an extra few watts 10-50 aint a hole lot different.
BC
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Bc910
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Once again
"this is just my opinion and if you disagree, well, your wrong! In my opinion, of course "
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Therealporkchop
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BC, have you got it out for me or something? You missed or didn't care about the point behind this. Again, it's for the hobby, the love of cb. Some companies don't allow linears in their trucks, so this is somewhat of an alternative. Plus I didn't exactly want to pay for anything, that is why I was asking if anyone had copies of the plans and was willing to share them...
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Bc910
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Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 8:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I' sorry i was in a "combative mood yesterday"
I understand the fun in it
I'm not sure what your talking about, could it be a Palomar stinger bourd? It's like a mini amp tht goes in the radio, is that what your talking about 'couse Ive always been a little curriouse if those work tooo
BC
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Pig040
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Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 9:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BC,
you have said that before about wattage, while I agree antenna is the most important part of your system, if wattage made no difference we would all be running 4 watts AM,12watt sideband rigs, havent seen many of those mentioned here lately! Wattage does make a difference, On the copper net I regularly talk with one of my 100 watt radios, and get numerous contacts if the conditions are in, calling at the same time on my 2000, same antenna 10 percent of the contacts. Besides if wattage is not a big deal why even mention a linear!! Blanket statements are usually not correct for all situations. Just MY opinion! And hey, experiment away, porkchop, that is what it is all about!
Rich
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Bc910
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Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 7:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK I DID NOT SAY WATTAGE DOESN'T MATTER
Let’s clarify this, I said;
"10-50 aint a whole lot different"
10-50 is like 5 times the power, there is a difference, and however the difference is nominal
However 4-100 now we are getting somewhere that’s a 25 times addition in power. Pgi040, there is a big difference between 5 and 25! On the other hand there is a big difference between 4 watts and 500, that's 125 times the power!!! All this is why I no longer run the Palomar in my truck. My radio puts out about 45 watts and the Palomar does 150 approximately (that's assuming you are not over driving it and making it scream for mercy) I did the math 150/45=3.3 and decided 3.3 times my 45 watts was not worth the hash and trash and over all unwanted that it causes. Now a higher quality and bigger amp (which is what I am looking at now) is a different story I mean 1600 watts from 45 THAT'S A BIG (35.5 times) DIFFERENCE!!!! That would be worth it! Experimentation is great! I am all for it! I said in my very last post here in this thread "I understand the fun in it" I said that before you posted! I have experimented so much in the past over the years I think I can still smell that blue smoke! That's not the point, the reason for saying what I said to Porkchop was in the hope that he wouldn't end up in the same position every one else here has been in at least once, which is, a dead radio in front of you and nothing you can do about it, all over 2 or 3 extra watts or that illusive 200% modulation.
Now to justify my first statement in this thread;
I said why do it? Just get an amp its more bang for the buck! I didn't say "wattage doesn’t matter" I basically said "more is better, and if it's cheaper and easier than why not?" Besides after I realized that PorkChop took it all in a way I did not intend and BEFORE your post I APPOLOGIZED, couldn't have missed it was the very first thing in a short post...
Hope that clears things up
BC
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Pig040
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BC,
From 10-50 "aint a whole lot different" Sounds like wattage doesnt make much of a difference to me. That is a 5 time increase in power, and that can make a large difference especially in local talking. As to your comments about the apology, and all that, that post was not there when I posted my remarks. They dont go on until perused by a moderator. Had I seen the post I MAY have phrased my post differently, nah, dont think so!
Rich
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Bc910
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 1:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Regardless of how it sounds, that is what was meant, that is why I posted my last post. Again 10-50 "THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IS NOMINAL" Let me explain;
Yes it will make a difference
No it's not a huge difference
Yes it will help you cut through all the crud out there
No it will not show much if any difference in signal strength (normally)

I have had situations of two people sitting right next to each other in mobiles, one with no power and one with a few hundred watts sometimes the barefoot radio flat out stomps the one with power, why? Simple, antenna! All I am doing here is stating that POWER is NOT the biggest bang for the buck. Antenna first, Coax second, Connectors third, Radio forth, possible mods to radio would be fifth, and an amp would be SIXTH! Power mods and amplifier are last in the long list of important stuff to do. Assuming you have already worked your way down the line, then fine, mod away!!! I was just trying to hand out some important advice, although I will admit it was worded wrong the intent stays. You can believe what you want to believe but there is a reason that some of those DX contacts you make are barefoot, and that reason is THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE! Myself, I don't either, I want a big amp, don't have one, and definitely DON'T NEED ONE to do any thing I want, skip, local, ssb, am, fm, key'n down, agitation, etc. ALL POSSIBLE, and in fact 100% do-able day after day after day with NO extra mods, and NO linear. Once again I am not saying that mods and linears can’t (or don't) help, I am simply stating that there are more important (and easier) things to do that will give you the same results. I don't know any one on this forum personally therefore I don't know if you or any one else has everything else done correctly (as best as possible) or not. Therefore I have to make some blanket statements sometimes even though blanket statements are never 100% true to 100% of the people. Most of the posts I post are written in the hopes that the person asking the question will get the answer he needs, and also that other people reading it will benefit too.
With that said, I am done with this conversation, I don't even know why I took so long both times trying to explain myself, it all should have been over with a few posts ago.
BC
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Pig040
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 4:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahaaha I agree, go in peace!!!!
Rich
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Bc910
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 6:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No bad feelings here man and as far as your email goes, i agree with you a bone stock well aligned radio is just fine with an amp behind it. there I go making blanket statements again :-)
BC
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Bigbilly
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've done a modification like that on a cobra 25 before.
Problems:
1. Heat
2. R.F. on the power supply leads.
3. Creating an impedence mismatch at your radios output.
4. Variable inductance on the input of the pill.
5. Capacitively coupling the new "final" with the original driver and final.
6. Having at the very least an O'scope to view all the new spurous emissions you've just created. This would be best viewed on a spectrum analyzer. But the 'scope is not an option when tuning the radio. You can't "see" anything with a watt meter. You also need a signal generator with 1khz audio tone. Whistling is for making music not tuning radios.
7. A cure for the cancer you just got breathing all that solder smoke and your new cigarette habit.

bigbilly
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Patzerozero
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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 1:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hold it there, bc. i've been away a couple of days here, & though i wholeheartedly agree with your unabashed praise of the S9, i must say i disagree with your 'wattage theory'. forget about all the possible variables here, take stations 'A', 'B' & 'C', then yourself as the 'receiver'. 'A' is running 10 watts & hitting you with 5 S-units. 'B' is running 5000 watts & hitting you with 6 S-units (he's really far away!) 'C' is running 3 watts & hitting you with 9 S-units (he's a local, pretty close to you). none of these guys is running that super incredible audio gain BS, etc, etc, etc. remember i said forget the variables, & all other things being the same, 'C' with 3 watts is keying over 'A' & 'B' with no problems. that's 3 watts beating 10 wtts & 5000 watts. NOW, only 'A' turns his power up to 20 watts. theoretically, & fairly close in real life to boot, his signal just went up to 6 S-units, & he & 'B', with 5000 watts are now neck & neck. if 'A' doubles his wattage just 1 more time to 40 watts, he's up to 7 S-units & just keyed over 'B' & his 5kilowatt station. AMAZING! if 'A' doubles up 2 more times, to 80 then 160, he's left 'B' in the dust & is neck & neck with your neighbor, 'C', & his 3 watts. 'C' keys up again with 6 watts & takes 'A' & his 160 out of the box again. 'B' keyed his station up 1 more time at 10,000 watts, his signal went up to a whole 7 on your meter, & he was so embarressed that a 6 watt & 160 watt station each wiped him out that he took a sledgehammer to his station & went home.
try it-that's how it works. i'm sure you know that though. you were just trying to tell pig & porkchop that in the real world of DX 10-50 ain't makin' no bit 'a difference when you gotta compete with the 'B' types & their 10kw stations. the rules of physics don't seem to work the same then. IF your 10 watts can get out & give you an S-5 signal 1000 miles away, then doubling it to 20 watts SHOULD bring you up to 6 real quick. that's IF you can squeeze in between the 10kw guys & if the propagation doesn't 'change'at that exact moment, if...
yes, it IS cool to have what somebody else doesn't have- a cobra 29 that REALLY does 60 watts, not a figment of some dosy's imagination, dual finals in an otherwise 1 final radio, etc, etc.
but when you just gotta get out, a 'basic' peak & tweaked cobra 29 or grant xl keying 3 swinging 12, keying a 1x4 keying 200 swinging 500, keying 16-2879's at 1000 swinging 2500 can usually get out.
"swing is king BUT dead key rules"- & if you still can't get out, buy a bigger amplifier!
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Bc910
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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 5:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WOW!
The last part of your post is dead on!
The first part, however I gave up on (got confusing) :-)
Any way I am not saying that wattage isn't worth a thing... all I am saying is that there are things to do first like antenna, coax, etc. Then if everything else is equal;
eg;
2 stations with identical equipment, station "a" has 4 watt dead key swinging 12
"B" has 200 watt dead key swinging 500
Station "B" will (no doubt) smoke station "A" assuming they are right next to each other and that the reciever hasnt moved or changed anything in the mean time, like you said Pat "no variables"
The point is that most of the time station "A" and "B" both have things that need work other than wattage that would give them "more bang for the buck"
BC
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Therealporkchop
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Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 7:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I see what BC and Pat are saying. That makes perfect sense to me. However the mud ducks around here, you can't tell them anything like that. You should be around here and listen in on 26 at night. It's something else, you've never heard such BS. Sometimes it's cool though, fun to listen to.

About the Stinger, I don't know who makes it, and where I got it, I can't post here. I'd be happy to tell you via email though and maybe we can figure it out. It works though, but not real well. It's a nice little unit, but poorly designed in my opinion. It needs more/better heatsink and a few other things I guess. It is one of those things you do just for the fun of it and to able to tell somebody you did it or have it. Like the 2290 in a Galaxy for instance.

I'm surprised to not see S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9 strung all over this post, what happened BC? Fingers get tired (haha). I'd like for you to email me so we can chat about this S9 thing. I was going to buy a 95T next, but I think I'll buy the S9. I know if I do and I'm not happy you'll buy it from me for what I paid for it(haha). OR you and Pat are willing to eat the pieces after I take a hammer to it.

In the words of Eric Cartman...I love you guys
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Patzerozero
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Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

in simplest form bc, you have to DOUBLE output for roughly 1 S-unit of signal increase. & it doesn't matter if that double is from 3 watts to 6 watts or 5kw to 10 kw, the signal only increases roughly 1 S-unit. so 5 watts to 50 watts could show about 3 S-units (double to 10-to 20- to 40 watts) & 5kw to 10 kw only 1 S-unit, if they both started at 5 S-units in your receive, the 50 watt guy now is clobbering the 10kw guy in your receive.
porkchop, and bc for that matter, rumors abound as to what is coming from magnum. all i will say is i hope there is some truth to them. i hate to add to unfounded rumors. this wasn't an S9 thread to start with porkchop, but if it makes you feel any better:
S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9S9
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Slowhand
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Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The boards have 1 SD1446 in them. They install in place of the speaker. They work well if you install the RF sheilding included. I saw one that was installed in an old 2950. A local drunkard/physco had it for awhile.He would keydown for hours with the carrier maxed, just mumbling , radio got so hot the wax ran out of it! but (unfortunately) it kept working, .
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Therealporkchop
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Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 8:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have posted the directions to this modification in my other post "Amp Final In A Radio"

It list the parts needed also.

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