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Roninboricua
New member
Username: Roninboricua
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 8:46 am: | 
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I own a x-600, but it has no ssb delay switch. I called X-force and they said the would install one for 15 dollars+shipping, to bad the shipping will probably be around 60 dollars both ways. It seems that is not that complicated if he's only charging 15 bucks. Anyone know's how to install one??? |
Roninboricua
New member
Username: Roninboricua
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
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THANX FOR THE HELP!!!NOT!!!! |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 8934
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Roninboricua,
Please do not get discouraged.
Your post has only been up a little over 48 hours so far.
But, if no one has one or has has never tried the mod they cannot offer you any help.
Have you tried contacting them direct and see if they will just send you the information that you need to install the switch yourself.
I would think that they would more than happy to offer the owners of their products some kind of help/ support if you bought it from them.
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN |
Roninboricua
New member
Username: Roninboricua
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 1:28 pm: |
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Enlisted or Officer? I just got out.SGT. |
Alsworld
Advanced Member
Username: Alsworld
Post Number: 962
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
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Roninboricua,
the XForce 600 was not sold biased to talk SSB, but as a class C. Hence no SSB switch. To order a new XForce 600 biased for SSB with a switch, it's $60 from the manufacture.
Maybe if you just want the switch only for SSB delay it would be lesser cash, but it may not sound so good on sideband unless you have them set it up correctly for it (class B or better biasing).
The XForce line (mobile amps) was basically designed for AM use, whereas their MagnaForce line was designed for those of us who talk AM and SSB.
Something to consider.
Alsworld
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Jumpy
New member
Username: Jumpy
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 1:10 am: |
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Why do you need this switch you talk about. I have a dave made 4 pill and I don't have a SSB switch and it works fine. |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 1133
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 8:07 pm: |
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unless you have some davemade ive never heard of; it is only biased for AM and you are doing damage to the amp whem operating it on SSB.
matt |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2348
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 5:22 pm: |
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kid, have you ever heard my class 'C' dave on SSB....
EVERY net contact from my mobile has been as such... |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 1146
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 9:10 pm: |
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pat, imlearning more aobut this everyday, but im still trying to find out exactly what is happening to the transistors when running class C on SSB.
i just heard it was bad, and i guess i adopted the opinion.
im happy to change my opinion when proven wrong; its just that "kid flexible" doesnt have the same ring to it. LOL
matt |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2353
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 9:16 am: |
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the explanation i got from an expert in the design & manufacture of amateur & commercial amps as to why a class 'C' amp could sound good on SSB was WAY over my head. he described the design of my davemade as both ingenious & a bit of cheating. it would probably sound like garbage on a poorly modulated SSB signal. to the narrower filter possible in an HF rig, the signal may indeed sound 'not as it should'. a CB's bandpass was wide enough to smooth out some rough edges...may or may not be what he was saying...but, i've used more then a few class 'C' davemade & x force boxes with several different radios on SSB over the years & never had any complaints. and will continue to do so. if i'm told it doesn't sound good, i'll just go buy another amp |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 1151
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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i do have to say that you always sound good when i hear you coming through the DX.
interesting point you bring up about a CB's bandpass characteristics, as compared to other HF equipment.
matt |
Jumpy
New member
Username: Jumpy
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 12:34 am: |
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From what I have heard about Class C on SSB is that when you key the mic on SSB the amp will not key until you talk. The SSB switch Roninboricua is talking about I believe keeps the amp keyed without talking therefore keeping the relays from getting worn. |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 1159
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 3:29 am: |
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ahhhh! a lightbulb has gone on!
so its not that its so hard on the transistors, its that its hard on the relay contacts!
that makes a lot of sense. thanks for the input jumpy, and welcome to the forum!
matt |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2365
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 11:45 am: |
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never thought that that could be how you were thinkin' kid. my remade 'C' biased dx1600 chattered for YEARS on SSB & keeps on tickin'. so has more then a few dave's i've used. when mobile, the amp is so far away from me, i don't usually even hear it. |
Jumpy
New member
Username: Jumpy
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:06 pm: |
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Thanks for the welcome Kid Vicous. Hope to contribute again in the near future. |
Nickleusa
New member
Username: Nickleusa
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2012
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 1:42 am: |
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Allyou need to do is is put a small cap on the keying transistor, or relay, which ever is used, to hold it keyed for a quarter to half second for ssb. Turn down the mike on a c box, and it will work fine . I have done this to davemade, xforce , fatboy, and others. |
