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1861
Advanced Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 563
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 4:29 pm: | 
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I HAVE A KL 203 & KL 300P i,M NOT USING . Which would be best to drive my 1000p with ? |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1768
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 1:37 pm: |
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Hello Jessie, I have never owned a KLV1000 or 1000P. Was planning to buy one so I did a lot of research on them.
If it was me I would totally avoid the 300P as a driver and be very careful monitoring the output of the 203 as a driver. I believe 100 watts is the limit and I think the 203 does more on SSB than 100 watts PEP.
I have discovered in my experiences with amps that it really does not take as much drive as you think or the manufacture suggests to get the amp to perform well.
Again I have never owned a KLV1000P but I would definatley not apply more than 100 watts PEP into it. Hope I could help a bit. |
1861
Advanced Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 564
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 4:48 pm: |
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Well , right now I,m driving it barefoot , 25 DK & 100 swing . only getting 200 DK out with 500 pep . Most have told me i,m under driving it . I,m told it needs 45 to 60 DK and 150 swing into it . |
Chad
Senior Member
Username: Chad
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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150 swing will blow it up. It's unlikely to actually get 1KW of clean power out of it, there just ain't enough sweep tubes in it 
Honestly the extra couple hundred watts over the mark where you are now won't make a difference on the other end, just make the needle swing farther in your house.
500W out of it will keep the transmitted signal quite clean and keep you from having to buy tubes too often........ I'd roll it like you are instead of driving it with a class C amp.
chad |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 2084
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 11:03 pm: |
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most sweep tubes should be run so that you get about 60 watts PEP out of each tube. you can get more than that out of them, but the life starts to shorten.
i would say that the people that are telling you that you are underdriving it are victims of the cheap meter syndrome.
they tend to get very forgiving toward the high end of the wattage scale.
matt |
Chad
Senior Member
Username: Chad
Post Number: 1091
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 9:36 am: |
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And there's 4 tubes in it.... Just do the math
At which point longevity at high power is dependent soley on duty cycle.
Remember that they are sweep tubes intended for use in TV's, they are intended for a 100% duty cycle.
Chad |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1774
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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Hey Jessie, I would run it exactly how your doing it now. 25 deadkey and 100 swing. Thats the deadkey to swing ratio you want and no other setting is going to sound as good. Its possible the tubes have wear from normal use. I have heard of higher wattages with the same input from other KLV1000P owners. Have you tried other watt meters. So many things can cause inaccurate watt readings. Jumper lengths and high swr , an amp putting out a harmonic reflected back by the antenna can be a pain in the rear also. Before you go and put more input in the amp try a few different setup changes first like different jumper lengths and a good low pass filter at the amp output. Try a different meter. Also consider tube replacement. I hear that a matched set of the Russian Selaveta tubes instead of the EL 519 tubes make a big wattage improvement and last a lot longer.
Whatever you do just don't sacrifice audio qaulity for wattage. I like to be smarter than the average cber! Believe me! In my town we have a major shortage of knowlegeable cbers! |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1928
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 5:01 pm: |
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I learned the hard way years ago by blowing
up some tube and transistor amps. Not to
mention antennas that wouldn't take the
wattage. My friend repairs amps, his #1
gripe is, people just push these things
to hard! |
1861
Advanced Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 565
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 4:08 pm: |
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Thanks fellows , I,m not trying to get alot of power out of it , in fact when I get it set right I,ll probably just run it on low . I just want to feed it right .As for the tubes only being good for 60 watts pep each , 240 watts pep doesn,t sound in the ballpark for a klv1000 . Tech 808 in his review of the none P was getting dk of I think about 350 |
Thehobo
Intermediate Member
Username: Thehobo
Post Number: 100
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 12:58 pm: |
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just something to read?? ive got the 4 tube klv, had it for about 5 years, put the selvitas in when first bought, use a 2995dx to drive amp, dk on radio is 11 watts, gives me about 375 dk on amp, i audio mine to tune on high and it tunes up to about 1500 on a 43p bird!! both are still in use and have had no problems with either piece!!
the radio swings to about 150 with normal talking and amp does about a 1000 to 1200 on that normal use!! this is on an i max, a flat 4, and a jo gunn 6 star beam.. swr's are at a 1 to 1 were things are used!! in the past, ive had and used all of klv's base amps!! they seem to work good enough taht ive sold all except my 4 tuber witch ill keep!! ok, off my soap box, but just one persons use of said amps..
thehobo
269150 am
monitor ch |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 11248
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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Just a Friendly Reminder,
PLEASE!Only make a statement / comment on a product that YOU have Personally Used, Owned or Worked on Yourself.
* Avoid saying or posting comment's like Well I Heard This or I Read This about this product or that product, If YOU have not Personally Used, Owned or Worked on a product then PLEASE do not spread 2nd hand RUMORS/HERESAY/GOSSIP!
Thank You in advance everyone for your help in following the Guidlines above.
Lon
Tech808
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1861
Advanced Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 566
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 6:45 pm: |
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THANKS FOR EVERYONES ADVICE . I HOOKED UP THE KL203 TUENED DOWN 148GTL SO THE 203 DK,S 25 AND SWINGS JUST OVER 100. IT SEEMS TO DRIVE THE 1000P REAL WELL AND EVERYONE SAYS IT SOUNDS GREAT . |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 11251
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 6:51 pm: |
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GREAT! sounds like you have a good setup that is working well for you. 
Lon
Tech808
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1861
Advanced Member
Username: 1861
Post Number: 569
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 7:00 pm: |
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THANKS , I recently bought a new in box , old dynascan 148 . I wanted to use it instead of an export with the 1000p . I love the old Cobra. |
Thehobo
Intermediate Member
Username: Thehobo
Post Number: 101
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 1:05 pm: |
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i only talk about things that i have personally owned and used, as stated in my reply!! my reply was for those who wanted something to read, and to help him on his quest of witch driver to use!!
thehobo
269150 am
monitor ch |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 11259
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 1:10 pm: |
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Thehobo,
Thank you for posting your own personal First Hand experience and knowledge to help other's.
It is this kind of information that is very helpful to other's.
Lon
Tech808
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