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Badbusa13
New member
Username: Badbusa13
Post Number: 1
Registered: 9-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 4:41 am: | 
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I've been doing a lot of research here on the board and have found some conflicting advice and figures on how to drive a sixteen. I have a 1st generation S-9 that I love. I would like to make as much use of the radios power and top-gun modulator as possible. I also have a DX1600 that needs to be properly driven and again I want to make full use of the power. I'm thinking of a DX350HDV or DX500V. I would prefer variable power as to "dial in" the driving amp for the most power and cleanest sound. I talk am and sideband only. Will the 2 pill DX350 handle the swing of the S-9's 45w top-gun? Any suggesstions would be appreciated. |
Flush
Member
Username: Flush
Post Number: 51
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:42 pm: |
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I would think if you take it easy it can work however you may have a high dead key. What I want to know is how much alternator do you need to run the 16 at full tilt and what kind of numbers would you see? |
Dale
Senior Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 1172
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 7:28 pm: |
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the texas star 500v will take all the s-9 can dish out.remember keep dk around 2 watts.
dale/a.k.a.hotrod
cef426
cvc#64
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Badbusa13
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Username: Badbusa13
Post Number: 2
Registered: 9-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 8:33 pm: |
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Yes, I'm aware from several sources that the DX500 is a perfect match to the S-9, but wouldn't the 500 be overkill to a DX1600? I'm sure I would need the variable model to tune down the 500 going into the 1600. It would be four 2879's driving eight 2879's, besides can I even vary the 500 down far enough to not overdrive the 1600? |
Badbusa13
New member
Username: Badbusa13
Post Number: 3
Registered: 9-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 8:51 pm: |
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Texas Star recommends the DX350 to drive the 1600. I'm asking for advice on which one to go with for radio I have and to drive the 1600. Has anyone not been down this road before with this combo??? |
Dale
Senior Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 1173
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 5:27 am: |
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yea the 500v is kinda overkill for the 1600.
but with the 350v you would have to keep the top gun off and mic gain down to were the radio only
pep/swings to around 12-15 watts.in your first
post ya xasked if the ts 350v would handle the s9 with full swing and topgun on and the answer
is no.however if ya cut everything down it may work.the s9,and 500v alone is a hot setup.id
love to have that setup
dale/a.k.a.hotrod
cef426
cvc#64
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Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 14465
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 7:31 am: |
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Hope this help's,
Manufacturers Questions
» RF Limited / Magnum
» OMEGAFORCE S-45 and MAGNUM S-3 /S-6/S-9 AMPLIFIER TIPS!
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:47 pm:
The Following tips are Direct from Sam Lewis at RF Limited and Designed to give you 100% use of your Radio's when using an Amplifier with them.
Owner's of the  MAGNUM RADIO's S-3, S-6, S-9 and S-45 Omega Force and other Radio's that will be using the TOP GUN BOARD, need to read the Following Owner's Tip's.
TIP #1
AMPLIFIER USE with the NEW TOP GUN BOARD!
NOTICE!
These Radio's were NOT designed to be used with 2 Pill Amplifiers!
These New Radio's with the NEW TOP GUN BOARD'S are designed to be used with an AMPLIFIER that has at Least 4-2879's or more, that need's NO Driver / Exciter Stage.
The Ideal Amplifier for use with the Omega Force S-45 or Magnum S-3, S-6, S-9 is the Texas Star 500 with 4- 2SC2879's. With NO DRIVER / EXCITER Stage.
These Radio's with the TOP GUN BOARD were designed to eliminate the need or use of a Driver / Exciter.
For use with other Amplifier's that Use a Driver/Exciter such as the Texas Star 667 that uses 1-SC2290 driving 4-2SC2879's you need to READ the following instructions.
Be Very careful that the Power to the Driver / Exciter is set to NO more than 4 watts and NO More than 12 watts PEP.
Otherwise you will have too much Gain going into the Driver.
It is highly recommended that you have a Professional Set these adjustments for you.
These Tip’s are to help you achieve Top Performance and help you to avoid any problem's that may arise.
As Sam continues to inform me of additional Tip's / Trick's on the RF Limited Product's, I will be posting them for the Owner's of these New radio's.
Lon ~ Tech808 ~ N9CEF
CEF#808 ~ CEF HAM#33 ~ CVC#002
Tech808@copperelectronics.com
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Badbusa13
New member
Username: Badbusa13
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 1:10 pm: |
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Thanks guys.........808 I have read that bulletin several times. The question is really which is the lesser of two evils. I'm gonna have to call California myself and see just how far a 500v can be dialed down into the 1600. Thanks again guys. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 3952
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 4:22 pm: |
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chris....you got a reply....
flush, years ago i ran a chevy blazer with 3-4 batteries & a custom made, $50, 105 amp, 1 wire chevy alternator, with an ar3500 & dx1600. i saw 400+ dead key & 1200 PEP....albeit with lots of engine revs. ran much better with a 165 amp alternator though! a 200 amp alt showed absolutely NO VOLTAGE drop at cruising speed. 80 amps at idle & drop was minimal. if you're using an alternator with a lower rating then the amp draws & extra batteries, DEFINITELY go overkill on charge wire & cables to amp! was recently a car fire here probably due to draw of 200 amps across #6 cable..... |
Badbusa13
New member
Username: Badbusa13
Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 3:01 am: |
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Thanks Pat..... appreciate all the advice. I was hoping to find someone like you with first hand experience on this combination. If you ever need anything give me a holler.
409 Indiana |
Flush
Member
Username: Flush
Post Number: 52
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 5:25 pm: |
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What kind of dk and pep was the ar3500 doing? My 2970dx should dk 10-40 and pep 150-175. |
Capt205
Intermediate Member
Username: Capt205
Post Number: 173
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 6:27 pm: |
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My S9 goes into a Silverstreak 250, into the DX1600. This is a 2x22990 into 8x2879 setup.
Topgun off, play with the variable power and mic gain on the radio until you have everything dialed in.
On my PalStar WM2000M I see 1600 watts with the driver on the low setting and about 1800 with the driver on high.
I don't turn the 1600 on much, as I can usually talk to whoever I'm talking to with the radio alone, or maybe with the small amp turned on. But when I do, I can really reach out and talk!!!
Just make sure to have a power supply system that can handle the load. There is good info here to help.
"In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them".
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Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 3957
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 6:29 pm: |
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same ballpark, 40-ish with 160 PEP, more or less. |
Badbusa13
New member
Username: Badbusa13
Post Number: 6
Registered: 9-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 2:41 am: |
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Capt,
I am driving the 1600 with a DaveMade 2 pill 2290 M80 now and I'm not happy with it. Class C is for the birds and I like side bands too much to live with this driver. Power is ok at 100 d.k. from the 1600 swinging 1000-1100. |
Flush
Member
Username: Flush
Post Number: 53
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 3:58 pm: |
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Who did your conversion of the dx1600 and how old is it? |
Capt205
Intermediate Member
Username: Capt205
Post Number: 174
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 12:56 pm: |
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Badbusa13, I was told that the Silver Streak 250 I am using, was an AB1 when I got it. My setup is used primarily on ssb, and I have recieved many compliments.
I have 2 1100cca batteries, a 200a alternator, and 2ga battery cable from the batteries, through a 150a circut breaker, to the 1600, and 4ga, through a 50a breaker, to the 250.
"In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them".
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Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 2411
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 1:12 pm: |
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The 50 watt Magnum S-9 will drive the DX 1600 but not to its full output, you will only see half the numbers you want. The DX1600 needs 100 or so watts of PEP drive. Not much over 100 watts, 120 watts maybe....max tops!
Its a difficult match up. No 100 watt driver box out there that is made for an S-9 that I am aware of.
Get the 100-150 watt S-9 and be done with it.
KEEP IT REAL!
Kenny
cef491(27.115lsb)
2sf491(27.555usb)
Indiana
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Dale
Senior Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 1188
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 7:39 pm: |
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now theres an idea.and too add to that hotwire
a s9-175 with a ts1600.theres your setup.plenty of radio to drive that big amp.no second amp
required.
dale/a.k.a.hotrod
cef426
cvc#64
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