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Grumpy
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi I have a turner ssk it's a bit muffled what can I do to fix this it's on a rci 2990
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Road_warrior
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Post Number: 585
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 4:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I haven't used one of those for over 15
years now, but, from what i remember
there is an adjustment on the bottom
which changes the tone. It may be set
to bassy. Hopefully its not your mic
element going bad.

JIM/ PA/ CEF 375
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Road_warrior
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Post Number: 586
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Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 4:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh and also, i had trouble using a Turner
+3 on my RCI 2995dx, it was to bassy and
muffled. I tried 2 different +3's just
wouldn't work for me.
I use a DM-452 and Silver Salute mic on it.
Good luck, hope you get it working good!

JIM/ PA/ CEF 375
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Hollowpoint445
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Post Number: 295
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was it working fine before and just started to sound muffled? If yes, what changed? Does another microphone sound fine on the radio? Have you tried a new battery? If you back off the gain does it clean up? Try turning the microphone gain on the radio to full and lower the gain of the microphone. The SSK has two output pots - the knob on top, and another you access with a screwdriver through a hole on the bottom of the microphone. You may need to drop the gain of the pot on the bottom.
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Grumpy
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Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 9:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the mic has a new battery new cord ??? people tell me what a great mic turner ssk is no matter what it sounds muffled I had up and down channel buttons put in .just looking for a good mic for this radio rci 2990
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Hollowpoint445
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Post Number: 298
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Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You might want to have someone take a look at it and check the output of the element on an audio amplifier. It's possible that the new cable wasn't wired properly and that's why the audio is rolled off and it sounds muffled.
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Road_warrior
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Post Number: 590
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Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did you locate the pot on the bottom
of the mic??? Have you tried to adjust it?
The Turner mics are good mics, but, like
any other mic, if it doesn't match your
radio or your voice it's not going to make
you happy. I've tried Several Turner Mics
on my RCI 2995dx, +2 and +3, just
couldn't get the sound i wanted. But, i've
used them on radios in the past with great
results. D-104 have never worked on any radio
i've ever had, but, they are a great mic for
those that do sound good and use them.

JIM/ PA/ CEF 375
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Grumpy
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Post Number: 13
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK WHAT IS A MIC THAT'S SOUNDS GREAT ON A RCI 2990!! I HAVE A SADELTA ECHO MASTER BUT IT'S 4 PIN. A SHURE 526T THAS A 4 PIN ROAD KING 56. D 104 HAND MIC BOTH ARE 4 PIN ASTATIC 575 4 PIN
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Hollowpoint445
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Post Number: 305
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's not about what mic sounds good with what radio, it's about what mic sounds good with your voice. Wire up a mic that you know sounds good with your voice and use it with your 2990. It should sound just as good on that radio as any other.
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Hollowpoint445
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Post Number: 306
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought I remembered reading a cool post about microphones a while ago. I did a search and found this:

http://www.copperelectronics.com/discus4/messages/14/77285.html
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Grumpy
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WE have a converter 4 pin to 6 pin my astatic 575 sounds great on my uniden pc 78xl but not so great on my 2990. my shure 526 is a 5 pin so untill I can get a 6 pin on it I will stick with the stock mic ?????
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Crackerjack
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Post Number: 539
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Grumpy:

You might invest in a mic tester that test the audio and puts it through a speaker so that you can hear it. They cost around 35.00.
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Road_warrior
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Post Number: 598
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can put a Turner + 3 on a Uniden
Washington, Madison, and some others
and sound great. Some radios i sound
awful with the EXACT same mic.
Did my voice change? I think not!
Did i use the mic correcly--YES!
You mean no one ever had a mic sound
good on one radio, but, not on another radio.
Hummmmmmm
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Alsworld
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Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Grumpy,

there is a guy I talk to a lot on the radio. He recently found a Turner sidekick at a garage sale for his RCI base. On AM he also sounds a bit muffled and the slight "tin can" sound. On SSB, that mic rocks the airwaves! Sounds incredible on SSB.

I have no explaination except if you are into SSB, may try some radio checks there.

Sometimes we have to mix and match.

Alsworld
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Hollowpoint445
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Post Number: 314
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 6:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Road Warrior - I'll bet the radios that sounded awful with the +3 had their limiters either badly adjusted or deactivated. I don't have any cut limiters, so I never have that problem. Back down the gain and I bet it suddenly sounds much better.

I've got dozens of microphones and lots of radios. Every microphone sounds essentially the same from radio to radio. About the only difference is the low end responce which varies only slightly. Yes there are differences from radio to radio, but they are miniscule when compared to the differences in voice responce from microphone to microphone.

The best explanation I've read is this:

You have a radio on which you like how your voice sounds with a D104. Your friend comes over to visit and talks on the radio to your friends. But your friend is a woman and has a much higher pitched voice than you do. She sounds like a banshee on your D104 while you sound just fine. Where's the problem? The microphone's interaction with the radio? Or is it her voice's interaction with the microphone? You could swap out D104 after D104 and she still wouldn't sound good on that radio, while you sound fine. It's the interaction of her voice with the microphone.
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Bigbob
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Post Number: 1940
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 5:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Grumpy,I know you're frustrated,to get that mike to work on am you may just have to breate on the modulation controls,so to speak,it has a compression circuit in it,on older cb's this helped their anemic modulation cicuits,most modern cb's and exports are already "balls to the wall" any additional compression just makes you muffled,on ssb though,there is no high-level modulation,so a compressor amp in the mike really kicks butt,I have both types and my buds really know the difference when I hook up my compression mike when I'm on ssb.Just somthing to think about.Oh and by the way my d-104 sounds like my stock mike except it is so sharp it gives you a headache listening to it on am,this is with my dx-2517.Bigbob
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Snowfire
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use a Turner SSK desk mic on my RCI 2985 and it sound's great acourding to everone I've talked too, AM & SSB

Snowfire
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Grumpy8220
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Post Number: 107
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 8:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a Turner SSK and it sounds the same way on my RCI 2990DX. On AM it has a muffled sound, but when I use it in SSB it sounds good. You might want to try a D104, that is what I have found to sound best for me.
As Hollowpoint has stated, it is not always what mic sounds good with the radio it is how the mic sounds with your voice!

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