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Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 691
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 11:02 pm: | 
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Can the Omega Force be turned down with variable power enough to safely drive a Blackcat 300? Don't say I don't know what it is, you sent me one. I forgot the name of the amp I ordered. I think it was a Palmar HD 300, something like that?
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Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 6509
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 11:26 pm: |
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Mikefromms,
Since you do not like links or reading the forum here is the information direct from Sam that I posted back on: Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:47 pm:
Manufacturers Questions
» RF Limited
» OMEGAFORCE S-45 and MAGNUM S-3 OWNERs TIPS!
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:47 pm:
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The Following tips are Direct from Sam Lewis at RF Limited and Designed to give you 100% use of your Radio's when using an Amplifier with them.
Owner's of the NEW OMEGA FORCE S-45 and the MAGNUM S-3 Radio's, and other Radio's that will be using the TOP GUN BOARD, need to read the Following Owner's Tip's.
TIP #1
AMPLIFIER USE with the NEW TOP GUN BOARD!
NOTICE!
These Radio's were NOT designed to be used with 2 Pill Amplifiers!
These New Radio's with the NEW TOP GUN BOARD'S are designed to be used with an AMPLIFIER that has at Least 4-2879's or more, that need's NO Driver / Exciter Stage.
The Ideal Amplifier for use with the Omega Force S-45 or Magnum S-3 is the Texas Star 500 with 4- 2SC2879's. With NO DRIVER / EXCITER Stage.
These Radio's with the TOP GUN BOARD were designed to eliminate the need or use of a Driver / Exciter.
For use with other Amplifier's that Use a Driver/Exciter such as the Texas Star 667 that uses 1-SC2290 driving 4-2SC2879's you need to READ the following instructions.
Be Very careful that the Power to the Driver / Exciter is set to NO more than 4 watts and NO More than 12 watts PEP.
Otherwise you will have too much Gain going into the Driver.
It is highly recommended that you have a Professional Set these adjustments for you.
These Tip’s are to help you achieve Top Performance and help you to avoid any problem's that may arise.
As Sam continues to inform me of additional Tip's / Trick's on the RF Limited Product's, I will be posting them for the Owner's of these New radio's.
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
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Truckerdon
Junior Member
Username: Truckerdon
Post Number: 24
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 7:07 am: |
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Is there a link showing info on a Magnum by Palomar AMP. That is what I use with the S-45. I have my Power set for 3-4 watts. The Mic Gain set at 3 O'clock. So far I've gotten good reports. I was told by Tech that I could run S-45 at full power wattage on radio in SSB mode.
Thanks
Don
2713
CEF 336 |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 692
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 7:20 am: |
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Thank you kindly for the reply and for your time.
These seem to be some mighty powerful radios of their own accord. Decisions decisons...I'm selling a radio and will replace it with something soon. I'm not selling my 95T, by the way everyone. That thing is a monster with my Turner Super SideKick mike! It's a monster anyway.
mikefromms |
Pointman
Intermediate Member
Username: Pointman
Post Number: 139
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 1:30 am: |
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Hello Mike,
I have run my Omega into my KL-500 with 4-1446's for over a year with no problems. My tech dropped the dead key for this very reason, he told me it was safe for the amp and it has been. There are many that I know via other forums that run the Omega into amps like the Magna Force 350 or the X-Force 200 HD with two 2879's with no problems. My tech who is a sales, service, installation and national representative for X-force amps has personally told me that it can be done and is safe for those amps also. I even asked him if I could have a custom made B baised for SSB X-Force X-200 with 1-2290's driving 2-2879's built to drive with my Omega and he said that yes I could and that yes the amp would handle it but it would become a splatter box and he did not recommend it for that reason and to stick with the Magna Force 350, 400 or 600.
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Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 728
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:35 pm: |
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Just an update: I'm running my Omega Force with one watt into a Black Cat 300 HD. Working great.
MIkefromms |
Vanillagorilla
Intermediate Member
Username: Vanillagorilla
Post Number: 147
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 7:34 pm: |
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Mikefromms....1 watt swinging to ___? The whole 45? Are you driving that amp with the TOP GUN on? or just reg mode with the power turned down?
Thanks in advance~
Hank '905
CEF 559 |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 730
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 8:48 pm: |
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Regular mode. No way will I turn on the Top Gun with this little amp.
Mikefromms |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1315
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 10:32 am: |
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it's not the dead key of the magnum radios that's the problem-the front 'power' knob should vary it down to 2 watts-or less. more then sufficient for the carrier input of ANY amp on the market. it's the 40 watts swing that's the problem. sd1446 transistors are looking for 5 watts in-each. with the hopes of getting 90 watts OUT-each(PEP).
they WILL handle more input(& may or may not get more output, depending on the overall design of the amplifier)& WHEN they self destruct is dependant again on the design of the amp & each transistor in particular-you may put 40 watts into 4 -1446's, yet a different 4 may POP at only 30 watts. sam lewis recommended 4 x 2sc2879 because, designed to operate optimally with 7 watts input each(28 watts) they've been proven to handle 10 watts input(40 watts) consistently well.
NOW with the magnum radios, topgun ON, you can turn down the mic gain & still get LOUD AUDIO at 1/2 the swing-that should get you into the 20-25 watt swing range before seeing a loss in audio. or, better, you could go inside the radio & adjust ALC(SSB power) & AMC(AM modulation) pots with mic gain UP AT YOUR NORMAL level(with or without power mic)til swing lowers itself to where it is good for the amp. you should be able to maintain ALL of your audio that way(if you feel you lose too much by just turning down mic gain-i did NOT notice that by turning down mic gain to get S9 to work with texas star dx250 or 350).
so, mike, assuming your amp has 2-1446 transistors in it, you should turn 'power' knob down on radio to see 2-3 watts carrier power, & mic gain down til you see 10 watts or so swing-with topgun ON if it'll go that low. amp should THEORETICALLY work fine then. would i do it? no. a dx350 with 2 x 2879 gives a bigger safety net of roughly 20 watts swing, & it probably will sound better on the magnum radio as well. |
Hotwire
Advanced Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 508
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 1:22 pm: |
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I would take Lon's advice seriously. Running a daul final radio (Omega,s-9,etc) into a 2 pill amp is like having one foot in the grave and one foot on a banana peel.
I thought my connex was down low enough but obviusly not. It still smoked my 350xl sc2879 X 2. It was still peaking up around 25 to 30 watts with the mic gain even at 3 0 clock.
To me its just not worth the risk. Why would I get a radio that is top dog only to turn it all down to run an amp that hardly does much better than the radio at full power itself? just my 2 cents |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 731
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 7:49 pm: |
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Good points, guys. A friend in the area said the same thing, Hotwire. I think I'll order a TS-55V.
Mikefromms |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1321
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 8:00 pm: |
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30 watts swing is still TOO much for the dx350, hotwire. 20 would be good. 15 would be better.
but if that's what needs to be done, why bother with the high power radio anyway? just go with a stocker! |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 6849
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 8:25 pm: |
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Hotwire,
Sorry but it is not my advice.
It is the Direct Advice from Sam Lewis Owner of Magnum International that I posted.
And since it is his radio and his design I figure he may know just a little more about it than I do so I follow his advice. 
I sure would hate to call him and say Sam I figured you did not know what you were talking about and I blew my radio up because I did not listen to your advice so will you fix it or replace it under Warranty? 
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
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Hotwire
Advanced Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 512
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 1:08 pm: |
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I know that now Pat00. Found out the hard way. Yeah Mikefromms I orderd a TS, think it was a good ideal. Just remember to order from copper because all the other places do cost more.
OOPSS sorry Lon did'nt mean to put ya on the spot there. SAM LEWIS (cough) thats right listen to him. SAM LEWIS thank you.
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Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 733
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 8:50 pm: |
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I'll probably go with the Texas Star 500V. I want to be sure I get exactly what I order whereever I do order. I've heard great things about the Texas star. I've disconnected the Black Cat 300HD. Someone told me the radio did just as good by itself. Besides, I want to use my top gun modulator now and then.
Mikefromms |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 743
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 12:12 pm: |
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I have a couple of questions: Will the Texas Star 500 and 500v take the full output of the Magnum Omega Force in regular (am) power mode, Top Gun, and on SSB? I'm leaning toward the 500v. Will it work as well with the Magnum?
mikefromms |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 6880
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 1:51 pm: |
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Mikefromms,
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Tech808
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 6:47 pm:
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The Following tips are Direct from Sam Lewis at RF Limited and Designed to give you 100% use of your Radio's when using an Amplifier with them.
Owner's of the NEW OMEGA FORCE S-45 and the MAGNUM S-3 Radio's, and other Radio's that will be using the TOP GUN BOARD, need to read the Following Owner's Tip's.
TIP #1
AMPLIFIER USE with the NEW TOP GUN BOARD!
NOTICE!
These Radio's were NOT designed to be used with 2 Pill Amplifiers!
These New Radio's with the NEW TOP GUN BOARD'S are designed to be used with an AMPLIFIER that has at Least 4-2879's or more, that need's NO Driver / Exciter Stage.
The Ideal Amplifier for use with the Omega Force S-45 or Magnum S-3 is the Texas Star 500 with 4- 2SC2879's. With NO DRIVER / EXCITER Stage.
These Radio's with the TOP GUN BOARD were designed to eliminate the need or use of a Driver / Exciter.
For use with other Amplifier's that Use a Driver/Exciter such as the Texas Star 667 that uses 1-SC2290 driving 4-2SC2879's you need to READ the following instructions.
Be Very careful that the Power to the Driver / Exciter is set to NO more than 4 watts and NO More than 12 watts PEP.
Otherwise you will have too much Gain going into the Driver.
It is highly recommended that you have a Professional Set these adjustments for you.
These Tip’s are to help you achieve Top Performance and help you to avoid any problem's that may arise.
As Sam continues to inform me of additional Tip's / Trick's on the RF Limited Product's, I will be posting them for the Owner's of these New radio's.
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN
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