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Jameslarson
Member
Username: Jameslarson
Post Number: 73
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 9:25 pm: | 
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Hi. OK, I will be moving soon to a house. this new house I will be moving to is going to be rented. It is an entire house that someone owns (Let's call him Mr. Smith), and he is renting it to me and my wife (It has a basement). In a few months, I plan on popping the question to him regarding putting up a IMAX 2000. I figured I'd wait a few months before asking as to settle in, and have him warm up to me.
Does anyone here have any suggestions on what I can say or how I can word it when I ask him? I doubt he will allow me to mount it on the roof, and to be honest, I'd rather mount it in a big tree in the backyard anyway (Obviously above the top of the tree). Any help or suggestions would help. I was thinking of telling him the whole "family" thing ("It is for my wife to contact me in an emergency because my cell phone stinks, and my mobile CB is always on, so she can simply use the base station".) keep in mind that I am not looking to lie to the ladlord. I'm looking for suggesyions on my best approach and wording. He is about 63 years old if that means anything, and he is married as well. He lives in another house the next town over. Thanks. |
Crackshot
Intermediate Member
Username: Crackshot
Post Number: 168
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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I rent and I told the landlord that I was a radio operator. I settled in and then I asked him if it was ok and also told him I was asked by red cross to run communications in the event of emergency (which is true) and he said "he did not mind at all".
Its up to the landlord I guess. mine is cool. I pay rent 2 weeks ahead of time and never late.
He is also giving me option to buy.
I did put up antenna in dicreet location also.
So just ask after settling in. The worst he could say is "no" and then you always could go stealth.
Build a good rappot with him and you should have no problem. |
Goat373
Intermediate Member
Username: Goat373
Post Number: 204
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 10:40 pm: |
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get your ticket...lol...that aside...strike up a conversation with him one day about cb radio...he might have interest...my landlord is now studying for his tech...(heeeeelllloo tower) |
Coyote
Advanced Member
Username: Coyote
Post Number: 733
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 11:46 pm: |
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James, honesty is always the best policy. Get a feel for what your new landlords temperment is like and just ask him out right. If that doesn't work, try begging. 
CEF-443
Hope you get to put up the antenna. |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1210
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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I always just said the heck with it. I pay my rent on time and thats all they really care about. Landlords never cared really once it was up. Just an antenna like an Imax on a pole is not a big deal. If you want a beam then I would ask. I told my current landlord who is female that I have a radio hobby and as long as the neighbors do not get tvi its all good. Your landlord is an older guy so most likely he will know exactly what your doing cause he will remember the good ol days when cb was thriving. I would tell him that you are studying to become an amatuer operator and would like to install an antenna someday. Amatuer operator works better for being accepted than cber.Just check the lease. The lease tells you what you cannot do. If its not in the lease then go for it! All he can say is take it down. He won't evict you for it cause he would have to go through the trouble of finding a new tenant. To him the antenna says " this guy might be here a while." 73 |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1211
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 11:23 am: |
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One more thing James, Like Coyote said, be honest! The guy is 63, he's been around and he will detect you lying or making up a story. Just be straight and that will mean a whole lot to this guy. good luck |
Tech833
Moderator
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 1325
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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When I was going to college, I rented an apartment. The Manager was a nice older lady who was against anything outside your apartment at all (bicycles, BBQ's, antennas, etc.)
One day, I invite her in to play cards. I told her in conversation that I really enjoyed listening to shortwave radio and told her some of the great programs on shortwave and how much I missed them. I told her without an outdoor antenna, I can hear anything, and politely asked if I could put up an antenna if it was not very noticeable. She looked at me funny and said 'Well, if nobody complains and I can't see it, sure'. I strung up the smallest magnet wire you ever saw out a window and asked her if it was O.K. She said it was fine. A month or so later, I 'upgraded'. A month or so later, I 'upgraded' again. Next thing you know, I have a vertical and no problems! |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1355
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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That's in the lines how i was thinking.
Start small if needed. A 24ft Imax might be
scary to a landlord if it's the first thing he sees...LOL... Play things by ear.
Good Luck! |
Kj7gs
Junior Member
Username: Kj7gs
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 9:27 pm: |
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I lived in a housing area once where I was told I couldn't put up an antenna. Now I'm a ham, and I like the lower frequencies that mean naturally longer antennas. Not a problem, I promise you won't see any antennas. And I knew that the people that would be walking around the area to check also had their own personal lives, and they went home at the end of the duty day, just like I did. And in the evenings, my nearly invisible wire antennas went up on fishing line halyards in the trees and into a little standoff on the edge of the roof that they couldn't see unless they were looking directly at it. Took all of about five minutes to set up & tear down, and I talked around the world without anybody knowing. My own neighbors didn't know I was on the air. So I have a lot of confidence in stealth. |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 1469
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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it really depends on the landlord, and whether they have had any experience with CB radio or ham radio.
him being 63 will probably work to your advantage in this respect because that means that he was 33 in 1976 when the CB was a national fad.
now he may have good memories or bad memories, so you need to be careful here.
its all about assuring him that:
A) you are a good handyman, and dont mind fixing things around the house. (he pays for parts of course)
this will give him confidence that you are not "fiddling with his house".
B) that you are a GOOD radio operator.
he may know all too well about the TVI and general rowdiness that go on.
i know you dont want to lie, but telling him you are a ham operator, and that you despise CB'ers might just work.
plan your install, and be very upfront about the impact on the house. (maybe you dont have to tell him about the groundrods, but you better call before you pound!)
i rent my house, and i got lucky. my landlords do not care what i do as long as the rent is paid.
and i do fix things around the house, and give them the receipts. they really like this!
of course, you could just spray paint the thing brown and stick it in a tree, but if struck by lightning, you would be up the creek so to speak.
good luck, and i run an astroplane and love it! great antenna, and very low profile. it just wraps around the mast.
check it out,
matt |
Wildrat
Advanced Member
Username: Wildrat
Post Number: 854
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 4:14 pm: |
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Just ask him! Honesty is the best! |
Therealporkchop
Advanced Member
Username: Therealporkchop
Post Number: 552
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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Well I just stuck mine my up and said to "you know where" with what he said or thought. Once rented, you become owner during the period you are there as long as you pay the rent on time.
He doesn't have the right to enter your home without you there nor does he have the right to tell you that you can not put up an antenna.
Put it up when he's not around and that'll pretty much be the end of it. And if you put it in a tree, he'll never pay it any attention anyway. I put mine up on a pole but only went up about 50 feet due to a shortage of pole. That's what she said...anyway...just stick it up dude. |
Jameslarson
Member
Username: Jameslarson
Post Number: 75
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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Well, this is where I am torn. Yes, he owns the house. But I will not be drilling any holes in the house. The Antenna cable will get into the house the same way the TV cable gets in the house, so I do not have to drill any holes. Furthermore, the antenna will be mounted in a tree, so it's not like I will be drilling holes in the roof or side of the house. So that is why I am confused now to even ask. If I am not drilling holes or mounting on the roof, should I ask anyway simply because of the possible "eye sore neighbor" issue thing? If he says no, can he legally do that? Remember, it is in a tree, not his house. Sorry for the questions. Thanks. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1362
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 9:14 pm: |
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If tree is on there property- Yes, he or she controls whether or not an antenna can be
placed in it. Yes, it's legal for him to
deny you of putting up an antenna. At least here
in Pennslvania it is.
No need to be sorry about asking questions.
That's how we all learn...Good Luck! |
Starface
Advanced Member
Username: Starface
Post Number: 568
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 10:56 pm: |
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Like Wildrat says"Honesty is the best"
also you can let him know as you pointed out in an emergency.
Power outages.
We get those a lot here in Florida with hurricanes.
With backup battery power it's the most reliable source of emergency communications.
Here is a great pointer to your landlord.
Let Him/Her know that when all other communications fail the CB and/or Amateur Radio(HAM) is there.
In Some cases like myself I Run both CB and Ham Radio.
If CB is all your going to use you can still get an Emergency messages out to someone that is both a CBer and/or Ham.
During major Emergency Hams that worked with
The Amateur Radio Emergency Service(ARES)Most likely run both CB and Ham Radio.
Maybe in a major Emergency your landlord like to get ahold of a family member out of state to let them know he/her is ok but all other forms of communications are down.
You can now get on your radio for your landlord and pass a message for he/her,If a Ham is listening in on the CB could/would then pass the message on to a ARES group then would then forward a Radiogram till it reached it's final recipient(his/her family member)
Hope this helps
Till next time
Starface
KI4NBE
CEF476
CVC14
HAM181
Southeast Net Control
Auburndale,FL |
Therealporkchop
Advanced Member
Username: Therealporkchop
Post Number: 555
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 9:40 pm: |
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Well, you know. Whether I lived here in North Carolina or Texas or Alaska, if I were paying rent I'd put it up if I decided to.
But then again I'm somewhat of a rebel anyway.
I'm willing to bet money he'll never say a thing to you. |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1237
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 1:23 pm: |
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LOL, James if your worried about the eye sore issue then just wait until you cause any TVI! The neighbors will be spring loaded to blame you for any and all interference. Your not in a sub division are you? Neighbors have no say in the matter!
Just do it and don't worry. I mean you said your not attaching it to the house so the landlord is out of the scenario now. I think you will be just fine. |
Therealporkchop
Advanced Member
Username: Therealporkchop
Post Number: 557
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 5:36 pm: |
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Shoot...if he causes TVI and has butthole neighbors you can bet somebody is going to start asking questions.
Of course if you just use a barefoot radio you most likely won't, but when a box comes into play or a radio with an amp built in then you could end up causing the unwanted TVI monster.
And if you say "hey buddy...kiss my (well you know) then if they are a mind to they can call our good friends over at the FCC. Remember there is a height limit to mounting an antenna for CB use. As there is also a power limit and let's don't forget how bad they hate export rigs. So any of that and if they show up the landlord won't be a care or concern. The fat fines they hand you will be the only thing on your mind. That and finding something to wipe the tears out of your eyes from you crying because they take your stuff. If you are like me, you'll be crying tears big as horse terds over that... 
Probably would be better to mount it on a pole within legal height and make sure all your stuff is grounded very well. And put it as far away from power lines and phone lines and other peoples houses as possible. Better to be safe than sorry... |
Jameslarson
Member
Username: Jameslarson
Post Number: 78
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 5:54 pm: |
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No subdivision. It's in Long Island NY. Subarb. House, 1/4 acre. |
